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    Salaam,

    Hi, I'm a recent revert that is struggling with one particular point in Islam, and have not been able to find an answer. Since I came to Islam after examining Jewish beliefs, I have been hooked on the fact that the (a) name of Allah is the Tetragrammaton (Yod Ha Waw Ha) in the Hebrew bible. But the trouble is, I have not found a single Hadith or aya in the Quran that make any mention of that name, nor have I found a theory that satisfies my concern. I've heard mention of a 'secret name' of Allah, that may solve my query, but that too I have not been able to verify in sunnah. It's just striking that a name that the Jews esteem so highly, (so much that they wont even utter it for fear of defiling it), would have no place in Islam. (They even consider it a personal name.) It's very had for me to believe that name would be part of the corruption of the Hebrew Bible, for it is used so so frequently by itself or with the ilah cognate elohim.

    I hope someone out there has either a source for this 'secret name' theory or a better solution...

    Ma Salaama

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    There is no 'secret' name of Allah. All of Allah's Names and Attributes are found in the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah.

    Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih 'Uthaymeen (rahimullah) said:

    The Names of Allaah are based upon Revelation and as such, their affirmation is dependent upon what is reported in the revealed texts concerning them. Therefore, nothing can be added to them nor subtracted. This is because the intellect is not able to itself ascertain which names Allaah is most deserving of. So it is obligatory to depend upon the revealed texts for determining that. Also, naming Allaah with that which He did not name Himself or rejecting what He did name Himself with, is a crime against Him and a perpetration of His right. Thus, abiding by the proper etiquettes with regard to that is obligatory.
    Read the rest here.

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    Salaam,

    Hi, I'm a recent revert that is struggling with one particular point in Islam, and have not been able to find an answer. Since I came to Islam after examining Jewish beliefs, I have been hooked on the fact that the (a) name of Allah is the Tetragrammaton (Yod Ha Waw Ha) in the Hebrew bible. But the trouble is, I have not found a single Hadith or aya in the Quran that make any mention of that name, nor have I found a theory that satisfies my concern. I've heard mention of a 'secret name' of Allah, that may solve my query, but that too I have not been able to verify in sunnah. It's just striking that a name that the Jews esteem so highly, (so much that they wont even utter it for fear of defiling it), would have no place in Islam. (They even consider it a personal name.) It's very had for me to believe that name would be part of the corruption of the Hebrew Bible, for it is used so so frequently by itself or with the ilah cognate elohim.

    I hope someone out there has either a source for this 'secret name' theory or a better solution...

    Ma Salaama
    Ask the camel bro..

    Anyhow, the names in the Qur'an, if you have read the Qur'an before you have definately recited this name.

    Peace.



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    I think the brother might be referring to the lecture of Brother Zakir Naik, where he says that the Jewish scriptures have 'ilah' that stands for 'Allaah'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muj4h1d4 View Post


    I think the brother might be referring to the lecture of Brother Zakir Naik, where he says that the Jewish scriptures have 'ilah' that stands for 'Allaah'?


    Hmmm, I doubt it. 'Yod Ha Waw Ha' does not resemble 'Ilah' at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewcow View Post
    Salaam,

    Hi, I'm a recent revert that is struggling with one particular point in Islam, and have not been able to find an answer. Since I came to Islam after examining Jewish beliefs, I have been hooked on the fact that the (a) name of Allah is the Tetragrammaton (Yod Ha Waw Ha) in the Hebrew bible. But the trouble is, I have not found a single Hadith or aya in the Quran that make any mention of that name, nor have I found a theory that satisfies my concern. I've heard mention of a 'secret name' of Allah, that may solve my query, but that too I have not been able to verify in sunnah. It's just striking that a name that the Jews esteem so highly, (so much that they wont even utter it for fear of defiling it), would have no place in Islam. (They even consider it a personal name.) It's very had for me to believe that name would be part of the corruption of the Hebrew Bible, for it is used so so frequently by itself or with the ilah cognate elohim.

    I hope someone out there has either a source for this 'secret name' theory or a better solution...

    Ma Salaama


    Well Brother, i'm not so sure that Allah Subhannahu Wa Ta'Aala IS the tetragrammaton. i've heard Mufti Ismail Menk define exactly where the name Allah comes from but i don't remember which lecture and as i have over a hundred of them i don't know where to start to look. iirc, it's a contracted form of a long name meaning the one who deserves to be worshipped and perhaps the only one.

    the Jews didn't ALWAYS consider the name to be a secret. they stopped pronouncing it in order not to take it in vain , but because they stopped pronouncing it, my belief is that they just plain forgot what it was and therefore was NO SECRET AT ALL!!

    check out this excerpt on Ezra:

    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/vi...=E&search=Ezra


    —In Rabbinical Literature:
    Ezra marks the springtime in the national history of Judaism. "The flowers appear on the earth" (Cant. ii. 12) refers to Ezra and Nehemiah (Midr. Cant. ad loc.). Ezra was worthy of being the vehicle of the Law, had it not been already given through Moses (Sanh.21b). It was forgotten, but Ezra restored it (Suk. 20a). But for its sins, Israel in the time of Ezra would have witnessed miracles as in the time of Joshua (Ber. 4a). Ezra was the disciple of Baruch ben Neriah (Cant. R.); his studies prevented him from joining the first party returning to Jerusalem in the reign of Cyrus, the study of the Law being of greater importance than the reconstruction of the Temple. According to another opinion, Ezra remained behind so as not to compete, even involuntarily, with Jeshua ben Jozadak for the office of chief priest. Ezra reestablished the text of the Pentateuch, introducing therein the Assyrian or square characters, apparently as a polemical measure against the Samaritans (Sanh. 21b). He showed his doubts concerning the correctness of some words of the text by placing points over them. Should Elijah, said he, approve the text, the points will be disregarded; should he disapprove, the doubtful words will be removed from the text (Ab. R. N. xxxiv.). Ezra wrote the Book of Chronicles and the book bearing his name (B. B. 16a).

    He is regarded and quoted as the type of person most competent and learned in the Law (Ber. R. xxxvi.). The Rabbis associate his name with several important institutions. It was he who ordained that three men should read ten verses from the Torah on the second and fifth days of the week and during the afternoon ("Minḥah") service on Sabbath (B. Ḳ. 82a); that the "curses" in Leviticus should be read before Shabu'ot, and those in Deuteronomy before Rosh ha-Shanah (Meg. 31b; see Bloch, "Die Institutionen des Judenthums," i. 1, pp. 112 et seq., Vienna, 1879). He ordained also that courts be in session on Mondays and Thursdays; that garments be washed on these days; that garlic be eaten on the eve of Sabbath; that the wife should rise early and bake bread in the morning; that women should wear a girdle (B. K. 82a; Yer. Meg. iv. 75a); that women should bathe (B. Ḳ. 82a); that pedlers be permitted to visit cities where merchants were established (B. Ḳ. 82a; see Bloch, l.c. p. 127); that under certain contingencies men should take a ritual bath; that the reading at the conclusion of the benedictions should be "min ha-'olam we-'ad ha'olam" (from eternity to eternity: against the Sadducees; see Bloch, l.c. p. 137). His name is also associated with the work of the Great Synagogue (Meg.17b). He is said to have pronounced the Divine Name (Yhwh) according to its proper sounds (Yoma 69b), and the beginnings of the Jewish calendar are traced back to him (Beẓah 6a; Rashi, ad loc.).

    According to tradition, Ezra died at the age of 120 in Babylonia. Benjamin of Tudela was shown his grave on the Shaṭṭ al-'Arab, near the point where the Tigris flows into the Euphrates ("Itinerary," i. 73). According to another legend, he was at the time of his death in Babylon, as a courtier in the retinue of Artaxerxes (see Vigouroux, "Dictionnaire de la Bible," ii. 1931). Josephus, however, relates that Ezra died at Jerusalem, where he was buried ("Ant." xi. 5, § 5). In the seliḥah for the 10th of Ṭebet the date of Ezra's death is given as the 9th of Ṭebet (see Shulḥan 'Aruk, Oraḥ Ḥayyim, 580).E. C. E. G. H. I. Br.

    —Critical View:
    The historical character of the Biblical data regarding Ezra the Scribe (after Ed. Meyer, "Die Entstehung des Judenthums," p. 321) is generally conceded. But the zeal of Ezra to carry out his theory that Israel should be a holy seed ( ), and therefore of absolutely pure Hebrew stock, was not altogether effective; that his views met with opposition is indicated in the books of Ruth and Jonah. The "book of the law" which he proclaimed at the public assembly (Neh. viii.-x.) is substantially identified with the Priestly Code (P), which, though containing older priestly ordinances ("torot"), came to be recognized as the constitutional law of the congregation (Judaism) only after Ezra's time and largely through his and Nehemiah's influence and authority. E.

    according to this, prior to Ezra, the name WAS pronounced, and also infers that maybe, just maybe, Ezra was the "author" of the "book of the law"!

    i have a thread about this possibillity, based upon Richard Elliot Friedmans "Who Wrote The Bible" currently titled Snakelegs gets her name in another thread. it's a a work in progress.



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    Perhaps I phrased that wrong. The name in question, is one that refers very often to Deity in the Torah and Hebrew Bible. Because I haven't found it to resemble any of the Islamic names for Allah, I wonder: Why is it so important to the Jews? they consider it a personal name for the Deity? And I find no corresponding personal name in Islam, in terms of similar word structure - as I have been told - Allah, if any, is The personal name - Faizah is correct, Allah in word form does not seem to resemble the Tetragrammaton (four-letter-word). But since the Quran says that Allah sent the Torah and Gospel, I am complelled to a degree to think that the name in question reffers to him - BUT, I am somewhat cautious, I understand that corruption can certainly be present in the Hebrew we see today - someone could possibly have added that to the text. I don't know what the differences are between the Torah we see today and the Torah given to Moses. But if this name arose out of corruption it would be a huge corruption, given its frequency of use. I see the point of that reference you gave, Faizah: if its not in the Sunnah, how would we know for certain? It's then best to assume its not to be used out of caution.

    My question is basically - what is the Islamic stance on that name? Is it just an unknown phenomenon?

    It's hard for me to believe there hasn't been any deep scholarly debate on this issue. I'm curious to know if anyone has found one or more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewcow View Post
    Perhaps I phrased that wrong. The name in question, is one that refers very often to Deity in the Torah and Hebrew Bible. Because I haven't found it to resemble any of the Islamic names for Allah, I wonder: Why is it so important to the Jews? they consider it a personal name for the Deity? And I find no corresponding personal name in Islam, in terms of similar word structure - as I have been told - Allah, if any, is The personal name - Faizah is correct, Allah in word form does not seem to resemble the Tetragrammaton (four-letter-word). But since the Quran says that Allah sent the Torah and Gospel, I am complelled to a degree to think that the name in question reffers to him - BUT, I am somewhat cautious, I understand that corruption can certainly be present in the Hebrew we see today - someone could possibly have added that to the text. I don't know what the differences are between the Torah we see today and the Torah given to Moses.

    i recommend that you read Richard Elliott Freidmans "Who Wrote The Bible", which gives us major clues at to who constructed what is now known as the Torah. you can get it at a used book store for around $7.


    But if this name arose out of corruption it would be a huge corruption, given its frequency of use. I see the point of that reference you gave, Faizah: if its not in the Sunnah, how would we know for certain? It's then best to assume its not to be used out of caution.

    as far as i know, NO JEW ON THE PLANET uses the word/name! They don't want to violate the commandment "Thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain." conservative Jews use the term Hashem for YHVH. they no longer know what it actually is.

    My question is basically - what is the Islamic stance on that name? Is it just an unknown phenomenon?

    The VAST majority of Muslims take NO STANCE on any aspects of Judaism or Christianity other than those in the Qur'an and Sunnah. they let Ahmed Deedat and folks like Br. Khalid Yaseen handle those matters as it would require that they learn about those religions.


    It's hard for me to believe there hasn't been any deep scholarly debate on this issue.

    as i revert, i agree and do alot of research in the area, but more to assure my fellow Muslims that Islam IS correct.

    I'm curious to know if anyone has found one or more.


    HOWEVER, there are a couple of brothers in England who work out some of this stuff. one of the things that they have pointed out is the similarity of the royal plurals Elohim and Allahumma.

    if you write them without the vowels, LHM and LlHM m, then you have a pretty close match.

    the brothers do some interesting and entertaining work, Insha' Allah, i will find a link to some of their Youtube stuff and post it.

    EDIT: doh! i forgot about Br Yusuf Estes, and American Chaplain who reverted to Islam. he has alot more stuff posted on the web than most.

    http://www.islamalways.com/


    Last edited by YusufNoor; 11-20-2007 at 03:16 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lewcow View Post
    Salaam,

    Hi, I'm a recent revert that is struggling with one particular point in Islam, and have not been able to find an answer. Since I came to Islam after examining Jewish beliefs, I have been hooked on the fact that the (a) name of Allah is the Tetragrammaton (Yod Ha Waw Ha) in the Hebrew bible. But the trouble is, I have not found a single Hadith or aya in the Quran that make any mention of that name, nor have I found a theory that satisfies my concern. I've heard mention of a 'secret name' of Allah, that may solve my query, but that too I have not been able to verify in sunnah. It's just striking that a name that the Jews esteem so highly, (so much that they wont even utter it for fear of defiling it), would have no place in Islam. (They even consider it a personal name.) It's very had for me to believe that name would be part of the corruption of the Hebrew Bible, for it is used so so frequently by itself or with the ilah cognate elohim.

    I hope someone out there has either a source for this 'secret name' theory or a better solution...

    Ma Salaama
    asalamu alaikum.

    there is no secret name for Allah. whatever anyone teaches u about islam ask them to give u proof. so many people just lie about islam these days. if they dont give u evidence find it. if u can't find it ask a man with knowledge. (the imaan in the mosque) make sure u ask him for evidence aswell.

    remember, the Quran is a COMPLETE guidance to mankind.

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    Hmmmmmmmn I have read that Allah has 100 names of which we only know 99, I read this story in Arabic so please don't crucify me, I admit I am not a scholar I am just relaying what I read..

    the story goes that whomever invokes Allah by the 100th name all his prayers shall be granted and the only one that knows the name is Satan, which he intends to use on the day of judgement to have his sins forgiven, but it so happens that Allah will make him forget the hundredth name..

    but there is a du3a that alludes to the 100th name

    it goes

    Allhouma as'alak bikol ism samyet beh nafsak, aw anzaltaho fi kitabak, aw 3lamtaho a7adan min khlaqak aw is'ta'thrta beh fi 3ilm ilghyb 3indak, an taja3al alquran rabee3 qalbi, w noor sadry, wajala 7ozhni wa zhahab ghami..

    Allah a3lam, if anyone knows this, can either confirm or deny it I am all ears...





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    I got this most unusual 'theories' from a random blog if unsuitable here pls remove

    There seems to be general agreement that the 100th name is "hidden" or mysterious. Sufis and others may regularly meditate on the "mystery" of the 100th name as a symbol of God's transcendence, or as a symbol of the true nature of God, which the other 99 names only attempt to describe.

    So far I have heard four different theories about the 100th name.

    One theory is that the 100th name of Allah is known only to angels, since it's too holy to be entrusted to human beings.

    A second theory is that the 100th name will be revealed by the Mahdi (the prophesied redeemer of Islam) at the end of time.

    A third theory is that Allah will reveal the 100th name in the heart of each true believer who devoutly prays the other 99 names.

    The fourth theory is that the 100th name is known only to camels. When you think about it, this would actually explain quite a lot about camels, including their attitude!
    http://paternosters.blogspot.com/2006/11/99-100.html





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    Assalamu Alaikum

    Allah a3lam, if anyone knows this, can either confirm or deny it I am all ears...
    Inshallah this will be of some help?

    -----

    [...]

    In support of the view that the beautiful names of Allaah are not limited to this number, they quoted the report narrated by Ahmad (3704) from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood who said:

    The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no-one who is afflicted by distress and grief, and says:

    ‘Allaahumma inni ‘abduka ibn ‘abdika ibn amatija naasyati bi yadika, maada fiyya hukmuka, ‘adlun fiyya qadaa’uka. As’aluka bi kulli ismin huwa laka sammayta bihi nafsaka aw anzaltahu fi kitaabika aw ‘allamtahu ahadan min khalqika aw ista’tharta bihi fi ‘ilm il-ghayb ‘indaka an taj’al al-Qur’aana rabee’ qalbi wa noor sadri wa jalaa’ huzni wa dhihaab hammi

    (O Allaah, I am Your slave, son of Your slave, son of Your maidservant; my forelock is in Your hand, Your command over me is forever executed and Your decree over me is just. I ask You by every name belonging to You which You have named Yourself with, or revealed in Your Book, or You taught to any of Your creation, or You have preserved in the knowledge of the Unseen with You, that You make the Qur’aan the life of my heart and the light of my breast, and a departure for my sorrow and a release for my anxiety),’


    but Allaah will take away his distress and grief, and replace it with joy.” He was asked: “O Messenger of Allaah, should we learn this?” He said: “Of course; everyone who hears it should learn it.”


    Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 199.

    The phrase “or You have preserved in the knowledge of the Unseen with You” [bolded above] indicates that there are beautiful names of Allaah that He has kept with Him in the knowledge of the Unseen, and which none of His creation has come to know. This indicates that there are more than ninety-nine Names.

    Shaykh al-Islam [Ibn Taymiyah] said concerning this hadeeth in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (6/374):

    This indicates that Allaah has more than ninety-nine names.

    And he said (22/482):

    With regard to the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “Allaah has ninety-nine names, one hundred less one. Whoever learns them will enter Paradise,” this does not mean that He does not have any names apart from these, rather it means that whoever learns these ninety-nine of His names will enter Paradise. This is like when the Arabs say: “I have one hundred horses which I have prepared for jihad for the sake of Allaah,” which does not mean that the speaker has only these hundred horses, rather these hundred are prepared for this purpose.

    [The rest can be read here-Source]

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    Jazaki Allah khyran... helpful indeed =)






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    Sallaamu Alaykum,

    This been very helpful. I checked out that book on documentary hypothesis - very interesting and eye opening to the variance in the Torah.

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    Lewcow, i have no knowledge about the torah nor the injeel, somehow my emphasis has always been on the Holy Qur'an. regards the secret name i have heard it many times, when we were younger i remember older family members would refer to it as the "ism e azam" now apparently I dunno Allah swt knows best, it is one of the names of Allah swt that is hidden and it is somewhere in the Qur'an, I once read somewhere that the importance of ayat al kursi is that the hidden name of Allah swt is in it but i dont know how true that is as well cos there are no unknown letters or words in arabic in ayat al kursi that has not been understood by mankind.

    So going back to the ism e azam from the stories that i used to hear apparently if one burns (Astaghfirullah) the Holy Qur'an everything in it will burn into ashes except for the part where the ism e azam is written. They say it is the most powerful name of Allah swt and can give people control over the jinns (APPARENTLY).
    Now one other thing they also used to say was that a lot of hindus did the above to find out what the ism e azam was and use it to have special powers as they claim which were only with the help of jinns.

    i have tried to do my research on this since i was obviously intrigued and wanted to know if this name really did exist and if so why is there no reference to it in the Holy Qur'an but i never really found much and settled for the thought that it is nothing but merely old tales.

    As i said Allah swt knows best and is the Most Wise but as far as guidance that has been provided from Him as a mercy to us we are only aware of His 99 names that are His beautiful attributes, who are we to say that He swt is only limited to 99 attributes but these names and attributes of His that we know are what have been revealed to us.

    And regards the torah and the injeel, well if they were not fabricated and tampered with then why on earth would God the Almighty replace them with other revelations, as in why would the injeel be revealed to mankind to replace the torah if the torah was the absolute truth and wise words of guidance of Allah swt and the same with the injeel...
    it pretty much is common sense is it not? Hence why Allah swt even states in the Qur'an that it is the final book of revelation and that it is guarded and protected by Him swt and in fact He even goes as far as to challenging mankind and jinns to try and bring forth a surah or verse similar to it or fabricate it, but we all know that that is not possible. SubhanAllah!!!

    P.S please do not try to burn a copy of the Holy Qur'an ( Allah forbid) thinking that ur doing it with the intention of gaining knowledge to see whether this name really does exist and is hidden in the Qur'an of is it just a myth.

    Alhumdulillahi rabbil Alamin.

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    I had always assumed that the 99 Names of Allah were simply the 99 Names that were found in the Qur'an, but I never thought that this meant it was an exclusive list. None of them really seem like names, more like descriptors. Indeed, this Islamic website www.jannah.org refers to them as attributes. So, because of them, we know that Allah is:
    1. Allah
    2. Compassionate, Beneficient
    3. Merciful
    4. the King, the Sovereign Lord with the complete dominion
    5. Holy, pure from any imperfection
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    99. Patient

    But I never imagined that just because only 99 things are listed that Allah was limited from having any other attributes.

    For instance, while we are told that Allah is Al-Qaadir (Able, Capable, attributed with power) and Al-Muqtadir (Powerful, Dominant, perfect power that nothing is withheld from Him) we are not told that Allah is actually All-Powerful with none surpassing him -- yet I know Muslims believe this as well. So, I always figured that the list was just a good start and that there are probably 999+ more attributes of Allah not listed in the Qur'an, for if all of Allah's attributes were to be listed, there would not be enough pages to record them all.

    So, it is interesting to read the statements of those early on in this thread who denied the existence of any other Name or Attributes of Allah beyond these 99. Never dreamed a Muslim would so limit Allah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker View Post
    I had always assumed that the 99 Names of Allah were simply the 99 Names that were found in the Qur'an, but I never thought that this meant it was an exclusive list. None of them really seem like names, more like descriptors. Indeed, this Islamic website www.jannah.org refers to them as attributes. So, because of them, we know that Allah is:
    1. Allah
    2. Compassionate, Beneficient
    3. Merciful
    4. the King, the Sovereign Lord with the complete dominion
    5. Holy, pure from any imperfection
    .
    .
    .
    99. Patient

    But I never imagined that just because only 99 things are listed that Allah was limited from having any other attributes.

    For instance, while we are told that Allah is Al-Qaadir (Able, Capable, attributed with power) and Al-Muqtadir (Powerful, Dominant, perfect power that nothing is withheld from Him) we are not told that Allah is actually All-Powerful with none surpassing him -- yet I know Muslims believe this as well. So, I always figured that the list was just a good start and that there are probably 999+ more attributes of Allah not listed in the Qur'an, for if all of Allah's attributes were to be listed, there would not be enough pages to record them all.

    So, it is interesting to read the statements of those early on in this thread who denied the existence of any other Name or Attributes of Allah beyond these 99. Never dreamed a Muslim would so limit Allah.
    Salam

    Allah swt is not limited to just 99 names and beauiful attributes, these are the attributes that have been revealed to us through His own Book the Qur'an. who are we to say or assume anything about th Almighty???

    we are only referring to what is revealed to us... which is the 99 names in the Qur'an. And i personally think that whoever thinks that Allah swt is only limited to 99 atributes then i guess that person needs t rethink about our creator and not have such a limited thinking of Him.

    ma salama

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eeman View Post
    Salam

    Allah swt is not limited to just 99 names and beauiful attributes, these are the attributes that have been revealed to us through His own Book the Qur'an. who are we to say or assume anything about th Almighty???

    we are only referring to what is revealed to us... which is the 99 names in the Qur'an. And i personally think that whoever thinks that Allah swt is only limited to 99 atributes then i guess that person needs t rethink about our creator and not have such a limited thinking of Him.

    ma salama

    So then, Faizah was mistaken when he said
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    All of Allah's Names and Attributes are found in the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah.
    I think I agree with you. Indeed reading further in the source that Faizah used to substantiate his opinion, I actually find information that contradicts his conclusion, for Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih 'Uthaymeen (rahimullah) said:
    The Names of Allaah are not confined to a fixed and definite number.

    This is based on the famous hadeeth: "I ask You, O Allaah, by every one of Your Names by which You have named Yourself or revealed in Your Book. Or (those which You have) taught to one of Your creatures or appropriated for Yourself in the knowledge of the Ghaib (Unseen) that is with You." [4]

    Specifying and grasping whatever Allaah has appropriated for Himself in the knowledge of the Ghaib (Unseen) that is with Him, is impossible to attain.

    The way to combine between this hadeeth and the other authentic hadeeth: "Verily, to Allaah belong ninety-nine names, (by which) whosoever takes account of them (i.e. memorizes, learns and supplicates by them), will enter Paradise" is that the meaning of this (latter) hadeeth is:

    "Verily, from among all the names of Allaah are ninety-nine names by which if someone takes account of them, he will enter Paradise."

    It does not mean that Allaah's names are restricted to this number (of 99).

    The equivalent of this would be if one were to say: "I have one hundred dollars which I have counted out for the purpose of giving in charity." This does not negate that he has other dollars in his possession, which he has counted out for a purpose other than charity.
    Of course, if Allah's names are not confined to a fixed and definite number, then 100 would be just as incorrect a conclusion as 99. And, if this is so, then it would seem that Allah would not have A secret name (emphasis on the article "A"), but perhaps has many names unknown to humans, for what human (even the transcriber of the Qur'an) is capable of knowing everything there is to know about Allah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker View Post
    So then, Faizah was mistaken when he said


    I think I agree with you. Indeed reading further in the source that Faizah used to substantiate his opinion, I actually find information that contradicts his conclusion, for Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih 'Uthaymeen (rahimullah) said:

    Of course, if Allah's names are not confined to a fixed and definite number, then 100 would be just as incorrect a conclusion as 99. And, if this is so, then it would seem that Allah would not have A secret name (emphasis on the article "A"), but perhaps has many names unknown to humans, for what human (even the transcriber of the Qur'an) is capable of knowing everything there is to know about Allah?
    yes brother,

    the human mind and scope can only and will only grasp as much as it possibly can by Allah swt's will...

    there are so many things that we dont know about this creation that we live in and the planets and our own universe, how are we meant to assume such things about the Almighty who created all these things???
    we as humans are limited but the Creator who created us is not limited to ANYTHING!

    and we humans would be doing nothing but plainly wronging ourselves to assume or conclude to things that are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY beyond our understanding or knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eeman View Post
    yes brother,

    the human mind and scope can only and will only grasp as much as it possibly can by Allah swt's will...

    there are so many things that we dont know about this creation that we live in and the planets and our own universe, how are we meant to assume such things about the Almighty who created all these things???
    we as humans are limited but the Creator who created us is not limited to ANYTHING!

    and we humans would be doing nothing but plainly wronging ourselves to assume or conclude to things that are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY beyond our understanding or knowledge.

    Following that line of thought a little further, would it be fair to say that no human mind can grasp all there is to know about Allah, that not even Muhammad (p) himself knew all there is to know about Allah.? That in fact there probably are not just some things, but many things with regard to Allah; that Allah never even revealed about himself to Muhammad?

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