i understood it too, coz i was there once, dont worry bout it sis.

Whenever you look at the whole picture, you can clearly see what the sahabi were upon. Alhamdulillaah !


Assalamu Alaikum wa rahmatullaah

By Allaah, of course not! I just used that to denote politeness, nothing else. Like if someone were to come up to me in real life and say something, I wouldn't respond with a blank face.

I'm very sorry if it came across as anything other than that; it was absolutely unintended. And Allaah is well aware of my intentions. I'll go edit them out since they're giving a meaning other than what they were used for...

Sorry to give too much info, but just to clear up that misconception - the 'Arabs believed they were upon the religion of Prophet Ibrahim. This is why they did the Hajj rites, circumbulated the Ka'bah, they sacrificed animals, they even had idols of Prophet Ibrahim, this is seen through the time when the Prophet sal Allahu alayhi waSalam broke the idols during the opening of Makkah.

But what we see from there is that these 'arabs actually believed they were on the true religion of Prophet Ibrahim, but due to their ignorance of the true teachings, and due to them innovating extra things in the religion - they fell astray and started associating partners with Allah in the end.


Look at what Ibn Abbas, the cousin of the Prophet said:

Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 442: Narrated Ibn Abbas:

All the idols which were worshipped by the people of Noah were worshipped by the Arabs later on. As for the idol Wadd, it was worshipped by the tribe of Kalb at Daumat-al-Jandal; Suwa' was the idol of (the tribe of) Murad and then by Ban, Ghutaif at Al-Jurf near Saba; Yauq was the idol of Hamdan, and Nasr was the idol of Himyr, the branch of Dhi-al-Kala.'

The names (of the idols) formerly belonged to some pious men of the people of Noah, and when they died Satan inspired their people to (prepare and place idols at the places where they used to sit, and to call those idols by their names. The people did so, but the idols were not worshipped till those people (who initiated them) had died and the origin of the idols had become obscure, whereupon people began worshipping them.

So we see that these idols which the people worshiped were actually the graves of pious people! Then they gradually got transformed into idols. How do we know? It may be that if we don't stop people from praying to the passed away pious people today, people in the future - when ignorance prevails - will start taking these graves and transforming them into idols and forming a totally new religion? Like the people before us did?


In Islam, it is our duty to stop a greater evil from taking place. And as me and bro 'Ubaydullah have seen, by going to Pakistan and India, ignorant people actually prostrate to these graves of the pious people... that might just be one of the reasons why we're so against it.



And Allah knows best.

Yeh I've seen that as well and I totally disagree with it.

But I don't get how saying Ya Rasool Allaah is wrong
(Don't give me massive fatwa's please, explain in simple english)

I think it's basically because of what we been discussing, that it can gradually lead to that greater evil. Allahu a'lam.

Selam aleykum wa rahmetallahu wa barakathu brother -Qatada-,

Ahaa! OK, I get it, elhamdulillah. I just thought I should say what I think out loud, better to get some opinions.


Oh, OK. I must've confused something - My knowledge is dusted these days, subhanAllah.

BarakAllahu feek!

are you saying that listening to a naat with "ya rasul Allah" (it's quite common) can lead to shirk? how so?

when/where did all this differing come from concerning this matter?

interesting topic, i've been having this discussion with some of the Imam's at the Masjid.

Blilaal Philips speak to it here, but ALOT of brothers disagree. this is a piece called shirk in Tahashud:

http://www.youtubeislam.com/view_vid...f06d57432016ce

opinions?

maryam11,
don't forget this, because i'm curious.
with the strong prohibition against shirk, i think most muslims have no confusion at all about the fact that the prophet was a man and not a diety, whether they say "ya muhammad" or not.

What about praising?

Praising the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace)

Allah (ta’ala) says in the Glorious Qur’an (Surah 33:56):

How to differentiate whether it is praising or not?

to me the line seems very clear. you know in your heart, when you are praising the prophet, that the prophet is not God and that it is a man you are praising.
how many muslims have you ever met who are confused about the distinction? i have never met any.

just to get you thinking: whats the difference between a muslim saying 'ya rasoolallah' and a christian saying 'ya isa?'
p.s please someone explan to me who/what/how/when/why lol all this differing came about?
p.p.s naats are nasheeds right

Wa'alaykum Salaam

Since I haven't seen all of the video - I take it that the video's about the "Alayka" thing in Tashahhud right?

If so, then there's a discussion on it here: http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmes...=10&Topic=4066

Yeh...