No, what purifies the heart is Ihsan. it is just that ihsaan is part of islam. Islam itself does not purify anything. had it been so, there would not have been no such thing as munafiqeen. Yet there were disbeleivers in the guise of islam, thus they are munafiqeen. Islam is the Law required for the beleiver. When i ask you to blend me 20 dollars, islam does not dictate to you that you give it to me, and emaan would make your heart contemplate and only ihsaan would dictate that for you, because on the mere level of islam, then you have the islamic right to say no. And no one could say "your not acting islam' by saying no because you have made no offense against islam. As for thelevel of emaan, then you can have faith by saying no and still have your faith in tact, because saying no, while it is helping your brother, would not remove your emaan, but if you have ihsaan, and then said now, thelevel of your ihsaan is what decreases.

I said all of that for what to show that
1. fiqh is what is used for the sciences of the shar'iah
2. aqeedah is used in the sciences of emaan and
3. the tazkiyyatu-nafs is what is used for the sciences of ihsaan. This tazkiyaatu-nafs, is (with the same meaning as Ibn taymiyyah, Ibn Abdul-wahhab and others) tassawuf, i.e. sufism. It is not that sufism is one thing and islam is another. if that is thecase then why do we not call fiqh and shariah islam. why call it fiqh, why call it aqeedah.

Now im in no way defending tassawuf in absolute terms, im just relaying that one must understand from which avenue someone is coming from when they use the word tassawuf or sufism. That is because i come acorss to many who read at one breathe the statement of shaf'i'ee about tassawuf, and then read a monster like Jilaanee or Ibn taymiyyah saying how "tassawuf' is good.


Ibn Abdul-Haakem said

You know, now that i think about it, the discussuion deviatd form the topic.

No, brother, you don't have to worry, shafa'aa is an article of faith, and whoever denies it becomes a heretic just as whoever denies the hawd, the nuzool of isa, the coming of mahdi, the ruyah of he beleivers on allah, etc etc etc.

Now i didnt think you were talking about that. hoever i do know that the main ingrediant for the issue of tawasssul to the dead is for their desire of shafa'a, so it is very well connected.

yes, by Allah's permission

asalamu alaikum

On this statement I can only say:

إِنَّا لِلّهِ وَإِنَّـا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعونَ
Islam = اقراربالسان وتصديق بالقلب
I do not know your definition of "Islam".If you are considering Munafiqeen's apparent "islam" as the real Islam ,then you are highly mistaken.When a muslim talks about Islam ,he is talking about that Islam about which the Holy Quran has said :

إِنَّ الدِّينَ عِندَ اللّهِ الإِسْلاَمُ

(3:19) The true religion with Allah is Islam
الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الإِسْلاَمَ دِينًا

This day I have perfected for you your religion, and have bestowed upon you My bounty in full measure, and have been pleased to assign for you Islam as your religion. (Follow, then, the lawful and unlawful bounds enjoined upon you.)(5:3)

وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الإِسْلاَمِ دِينًا فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِي الآخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ﴿3:85﴾

(3:85) And whoever seeks a way other than this way a submission (Islam), will find that it will not be accepted from him and in the Life to come he will be among the losers.
فَمَن يُرِدِ اللّهُ أَن يَهْدِيَهُ يَشْرَحْ صَدْرَهُ لِلإِسْلاَمِ (6:125)
(6:125) Thus, (it is a fact that) whomsoever Allah wills to guide, He opens his breast for Islam;
أَفَمَنْ شَرَحَ اللَّهُ صَدْرَهُ لِلْإِسْلَامِ فَهُوَ عَلَى نُورٍ مِنْ رَبِّهِ

39:22) Now, can the person whose breast Allah has opened for Islam *40 and he is walking in the light shown by his Lord *41 (be like the one who has learnt no lesson from these things)?

إِذْ قَالَ لَهُ رَبُّهُ أَسْلِمْ قَالَ أَسْلَمْتُ لِرَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ﴿2:131﴾

(2:131) When his Lord said to him, "Surrender," *130 he promptly responded, "I have surrendered to the Lord of the Universe (and become a Muslim)
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ ادْخُلُواْ فِي السِّلْمِ كَآفَّةً وَلاَ تَتَّبِعُواْ خُطُوَاتِ الشَّيْطَانِ إِنَّهُ لَكُمْ عَدُوٌّ مُّبِينٌ﴿2:208﴾

(2:208) O Believers, enter completely into Islam *226 and do not follow in" the footsteps of Satan, for he is your avowed enemy

AN IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT YOUR NAME GIVEN BY QURAN (IT IS NEITHER SUFI ,NOT SECT ,X,Y,Z ......) BUT ;
هُوَ سَمَّاكُمُ الْمُسْلِمينَ

Allah had called you "Muslims" (22:78)

I am sure Islam is everyting for a muslim.
Best of luck

quiet surprised. masha'Allaah, very well said, cent% agreed.

The famous hadith found in the widely circulated and read Forty Hadith compiled by Imam Nawawi. It was narrated by 'Umar ibn al-Khattab (radiAllahi anhu), and is found in sahih Muslim;

"One day we were sitting in the company of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, when there appeared before us a man dressed in pure white clothes, his hair extraordinarily black. There were no signs of travel on him. None of us recognized him. He sat with the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him. Resting his knees against his and the palms of his hands on his thighs,

he said, 'O Muhammad, tell me about Islam'.

The Messenger of Allah replied, 'Islam is to testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, to establish the prayer, pay the zakat, observe the fast of Ramadan, and perform the pilgrimage to the House if you are able to do so'.


He said, 'You have spoken the truth,' and we were amazed at him asking and then verifying that he had spoken the truth.

He then said, 'Inform me about Iman'.

He replied, 'It is to believe in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, the Last Day, and in the divine destiny of both good and evil'.

He said, 'You have spoken the truth'.

He then said, 'Tell me about Ihsan'.

He said, 'It is to worship Allah as if you see Him, for though you do not see Him, surely He sees you'.

He then said, 'Inform me about the Hour'.

He replied, 'The one who is asked knows no more than the one who is asking'.
He said, 'Tell me some of its signs'.

He said, 'That the slave-girl will give birth to her mistress, and barefoot, destitute shepherds will compete with one another in the building of magnificent buildings'.

Then he (the questioner) went on his way but I stayed with him (the Prophet) for a long while.

He said to me, 'Umar, do you know who this questioner was?'

I replied, 'Allah and His Messenger know best'.

He said, 'He was Gabriel. He came to instruct you in your religion."

I hope you read the sahih hadith and don't portray hadith against Qur'an, it reveals yours (series of) ignorance in the matter of tafaqqahu-fid-deen (understanding the deen of Allah). but i hope you'll agree now and wont do jarah(quarrel) with the ppl. of knowledge.

Dear why annoyance??

.Let me know if I have put anything except definition of Islam which the Holy Quran has given.'(None of my own words)
Can you show my own words which are annoying?

If you think that Islam does not purify the heart as Izaari has put.I have not objection that is your own faith.
May God bless all of us.
Mabrook:

Dear, Quran is Truth but your interpretation is false, and thats the difference you are ignoring with your ignorance. your using the verses of Quran where ever you desire. They Ayah of Quran is Haq but your interpretation and your understanding is false. Those verses is not giving the definition of Islam or is it? ( اقراربالسان وتصديق بالقلب )

Did you read the Haith-e-Gabriel of Sahih Muslim? now Whose interpretation do we have to accept?

Do you really know what you're doing? with whom you are coming against?

Think plz.

Thanks a lot for pointing out that these Quranic ayas are not giving definition of Islam.Then what are those (Quranic Ayas) showing??
You have not answered this question about what Izaari said :]
You have also said :
My question is how Hadith -e-Gabriel contradict Quran? Where does it say that that "Islam itself does not purify anything".
Is this not " A big accusation which both of you are putting on the Holy Prophet and Hadith ??

Al-islam is comprehensive term by itself it encircles all aspects of Aqeeda and actions including all detailed components

I will appreciate your guidance.
Thanks

Thanku also for accepting the truth. For knowing the correct interpretation of those ayah, you can refer to authentic tafsir of Qur'an like Tafsir Ibn Khathir, Ma'ariful Qur'an by Mufti Muhammad Shafi'i r.a. etc.

I don't think so izaree had questioned there or that he was replying to ME, but in case, if you want to ask me what Izaari was telling there,
so i can hardly interpret him that he *meant* to say or what is suppose to know for us is that even munafiqeen say that they are muslim and their religion is islam but they are missing the important aspect of religion Islam know as Iman, which means affirmation and confirmation in the heart. in the heart they still deny the verses of Qur'an or anything which prophet Muhammad sallallahu alihi wa sallam has brought along with him, they deny it, due to this nifaaq in heart they are not muslims. They are known as munafiqeen who even saying that islam their religion they are not beleiving the truth.

Ihsan is the aspect of Islam which means to strive for excellence in achieving piety. Also known as Tasawwuf/Sufism in the context of various branches of the Islamic sciences that has developed, Tasawwuf is a branch of Islamic knowledge which focuses on the spiritual development of the Muslim. There are verses of Qur'an and Hadith for its importancy, like Hadith-e-Gabriel.

I hope I answered more now.

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Tasawwaf and Sufism are alien terms in Islam.Show me in the Holy Quran or Any Hadith which are narrating these terms.

No you evaded my question :
He said :
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Both of you assumed that Munafqeen's faith is "real Islam".That is not Islam.
Who told you this? Why do you call their faith as "Islam"?
Both of you talking about "Islam itself does not purify anything"
:w
please be to the point

^^ i'm sorta not have so much free time, someone else might entertain you.

your not getting it akhee, let me make it simpler

my definition of islam is the same as the prophets. When he was asked what is islam he sauid
1. to make shahadah
2. make salah
3. saum
4. zakah
5. make hajj

That is Islam. But how does islam "purify' someones heart. had islam been the sole source of purification of he heart, there would not have been no such thing as munafiqeen. You see, if islam purifies the heart as you say, then when the munafiqeen "accepted islam" then by default right then and there on the mere acceptence of islam it should have purified their hearts.YET it didn't. But we, as well all know, do not logically conclude reality with this reasoning.

rather what is necessary with the actions of islam is "ikhlaas fi deen"

so when it is stated 'la ilaha ilallah muhammada rasulullah" No one can ever say that that is not islam. rather it is islam. But how will that statement gurantee the purification of the heart of someone who says it. NO rather what will advance this purification is not the mere statement but to
1. have muhaba (love) for it
2. yaqeen (certainty) that it is a reality
3. ilm (knowing) of its reality
and the rest of the conditions of la ilaha ilallah.

You see islam is not connected with the niya of the person who proclaims it. Islam is concerned with the outer actions of people. when the khaliph enforces islam as law, that does not entail that he forces you to have muhaba of the shahada or that you have certain knowledge of la ilaha ilallah, he is merely forced by default to ensure that you remain under the shadow of the mighteist statement i.e. the sahahada.

so all those ayaah about islam has nothing to do with the topic of 'purifying the heart" of the one who accepts islam, all of thoe ayaah are related to the victorious status and virtuosness of islam, and not that it itself purifies anyones heart.

lets take a common example throughout he world today. Today we have many many sinful muslims on this earth, they rob, they steal, they even deem it permissible to act out of terrorism, they fornicate, and worst of all many wish to follow and be like their greatest enemy, america. Had "islam" been the sole factor in the purification of the heart, this reality would not have been in existance. That would mean that if what you udnerstand was the reality, then all those muslims would not be sinful at all on the mere premise of their being "muslim" or having "Islam"

that is why it is said that all muhsineen (those with ihsaan) are mumineen (beleivers) but not all mumineen are muhsineen and ALL mumineen are all muslimeen BUT NOT ALL muslims are mumineen


secondly you completely went in the foul ball area with this statement

I cant speak for musalman, but i can only assume, but as for me as a certainty and as for him based upon husn adhaan, we do not view the islam of the munafiqeen as 'real islam" Thats is not what I said verbatim nor was the implication behind my statements indicating that.

rather i said that if islam purifed hearts, there would not have been no such thing as munafiqeen and not that the islam of them is real Islam.

The implicated meaning of my statement is that when those kuffar who accepted islam and became munafiqeen, then why were they munaifqee if islam itself purifies the heart. By the virtue of their accepting islam, their conversion should have by default purified their hearts so that they would not have been munafiqeen. This is the reality of the implication of your statement that islam purifies the heart. All I said was that if this was true, there would not have been no such thing as munafiqeen, and not that the islam of the munafiqeen is real islam

I hope you consider and reflect the reality that is being relayed to you here akhee.

asalamu alaikum warahmtullah