assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu
Imam Abu Hanifah said in Al Fiqh al Absat,
“Allah will never be described by the attributes of his creation, his anger and happiness are his attributes without how and that is the saying of Ahl Al Sunnah Wal Jama’ah. He becomes angry and happy and we cannot say his anger is his punishment, or that his pleasure is his reward and we describe Him the way he describes himself, he is ahad, samad he has no parents and no children and there is nothing like him, he is hayyu (alive), qadirun, samee’ (hearer), baseer’ (seer), Aalim (knowledgeable), his hands are over their hands and not like the hands of his creation, and his face is not like the face of his creation and we confess that Allah is sitting above his throne without any need for it.” [Fiqh al Absat p10]
Imam Shafi’i said,
“The saying on the Sunnah that I follow and I see our companions follow, and those I met from Ahl Al Hadith follow whom I learned from, Sufyan, Maalik is to testify that there is none worthy to be worshipped but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and that Allah is over his thrown above the seven heavens, he comes near to his creation the way he likes and he descends to the first heaven the way he likes.” [Kitab Ijtimaa’ Al Juyush – ibn Qayyim p165] and [Sifa Sifaat ul Uluw p124]
Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbal said,
“We believe Allah is above his throne the way he likes in the form he likes without any limit and without any description, no-one can describe it nor define it, his description is from him and will return to him, he is the way he describes himself and no one can reach his description.” [Preventing the contradiction between the text and the mind v2 p30 for ibn Taymiyyah]
JazakAllah khayr akhee. Beautiful athaar there, mashaAllah.
but ukhtee i shud stress that a lot of scholars do say, "beware of saying glory to Allah IN HIS PLACE" because that is assigning a place to Allah and far above is what they assign to him....
i hope that makes sense, there was a beautiful statement of imam malik i read to further this statement, i'll try find it inshaAllah
I'm not quite sure what you mean. Could you please clarify, because I'm a bit confused.Quote:
"beware of saying glory to Allah IN HIS PLACE"
also from creed of imam at-tahawi:
number 47 : He (Allah) is transcendent beyond limits, ends, supports, components, or instruments. The six directions do not contain Him as they do created things.
Akhee, saying that Allah is everywhere is putting Him in a place. Confirming what Allah has described Himself with is not 'putting Him in a place'.
Imaam Muhammad ibn Khuzaymah (d.311H):
"We and all scholars of our way, whether in al-Hijaaz, al-Tihama, Jemn, Iraq, Syria or Egypt, we all say about Allaah what He said about Himself, and we profess this with our tongues and believe in it in our hearts, without equating Allaah’s Face with that of any of His creatures…
…We and all our scholars in all our lands say that the One we worship has a Face, as Allaah told us in His clear revelation, which ascribed to it is Magnificence (al-Jalal) and Venerability (al-Ikram), declaring it to be eternal and denying that it will ever perish, We furthermore say that our Lord’s Face radiates so much bright light, so much splendour that if one lifted the veil covering it, its glory would scorch everything in its scope. The gaze of the people of this world is protected from the beam of its eyes; no man will ever see Him during his earthly life. And we say that our Lord’s Face has no beginning and no end, it was always part of the One who remains and never perishes."
Taken from: Imaam ibn Khuzaymah’s Kitaab at-Tawheed wa-Ithbat Sifaat al-Rabb, Beirut 1983, P. 10ff and 22ff (translated into English by Moulay ‘Abdullaah Ghizli)
Who says, 'Glory be to Allah in His place'? I've never heard anyone say that. That's what I found confusing.
^ Assalamu alaikum,
i agree, it is extremely wrong to say Allah is everywhere ! thats like a hindu belief! but the deleted post of wnb showed that even imam malik read the ayyat confirming that ALlah has risen above his throne, but he rahimahullah then added "but we dont know in what manner"
i hope i havent said anything misleading, and Allah is the one who guides all so may he turn our hearts towards his obedience and give us sufficient 'ilm and understanding to not be mislead
There are a lot of scholars from the indian sub continent who claim that Allah is everywhere!!!!
This is backed up by their interpretation of "Allah is closer to you than your jugular vein" ayat found in the quran.
They claim that Allah is present amongst his creation........but not with his knowledge!!!!Very bold statement to make...what do you think brothers and sisters on the forum???:X
hmm la adree, i dont kno bro lol...
a lot of scholars u say... and yeah i use to think that aswell. but i dont nemore, and even the four imams say he was above the throne... but we dont kno in wat manner, Allahu a'lam
Imaam Ahmad was asked about the verse, "and He is with you wheresover you are", and the verse, "there is no secret discourse of 3 people except that he is the fourth.." - and he said, ' (meaning) His Knowledge, He is the Knower of the seen and the unseen, His knowledge encompasses everything, and our Lord is above the Throne without setting limits and giving description , and His Kursi is as the expanse of the heavens and the earth with His Knowledge. ' ('Sharh Usul I'tiqaad' of al-Laalikaaee pg.402)
We do not define any of the Attributes of Allah. We confirm what Allah said about Himself, khalas.
Ibn al-Mubaarak said, 'we do nat say as the Jahmiyyah say that Allaah is on the earth, rather He has risen over His Throne.'
And it was said to him, 'how should we know our Lord?' He said, 'above the Heavens, over ('alaa) His Throne'. [See 'Khalq Af'aal al-Ebaad' of Imaam Bukhaaree]
And Ibn Qudaamah said "the way of the salaf is to have faith in the Names and Attributes of Allaah that He has described Himself with in His Revelation, or upon the tongue of His Messenger (SAW) without increasing nor decreasing upon it, nor exceeding the limits, nor explaining them (in the way of the Mu’tazila) nor making ta’weel of them in a way that opposes the literal meaning." [ ‘Dhamm at-Ta’weel’ (pg.11) of ibn Qudaamah al-Maqdisee,]
Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,
Sorry if I sounded harsh to you bro when I was replying and may you forgive me. I was angry about something and that was reflected in my post, I know its no excuse and may Allah(SWT) forgive me...
Here are some things to observe from Creed of Islam by Imam Tahawi(RA):
[PIE]8. Human imagination cannot consptualise Him, nor can human undertaking rasp His reality.
15. As he was in eternity attributed with qualities, so He remains forever described with the same attributes.
16. It is not after creating that He merits the name "The creator" [al- Khaliq], nor through originating His creatures that he merits the name "The Originator" [al-Baari]
48. He is transcendent beyond limits, ends, supports, components, or instruments. The (dimesntions of) the six directions (Right, left, up, down, front, behind) do not contain Him as they do created things.
38 "Whoever ascribes any human qualities to God has blasphemed. So whoever percieves this takes heed and refrains from such statements of the disbelievers and knows that God, the Sublime and Exalted, in all His attributes, is utterly unlike humanity.
39 "The Beatific Vision in reality for the people of paradise without enclosure or modaility, just as the Book of God pronounces, "Some faces will be aglow that day, gazing at their Lord (72:22-23)". Its explanation is as God, the Sublime and Exalted, knows it to be and as He intended[/PIE]
*NOTE: there is no MODAL to describe Allah(SWT) when he is viewed, no distance, no colours etc Everything about him is Unique!
Can we please stay on topic, and also stay away from sectarianism? Otherwise I will be forced to lock this thread.