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assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu



Imam Abu Hanifah said in Al Fiqh al Absat,

“Allah will never be described by the attributes of his creation, his anger and happiness are his attributes without how and that is the saying of Ahl Al Sunnah Wal Jama’ah. He becomes angry and happy and we cannot say his anger is his punishment, or that his pleasure is his reward and we describe Him the way he describes himself, he is ahad, samad he has no parents and no children and there is nothing like him, he is hayyu (alive), qadirun, samee’ (hearer), baseer’ (seer), Aalim (knowledgeable), his hands are over their hands and not like the hands of his creation, and his face is not like the face of his creation and we confess that Allah is sitting above his throne without any need for it.” [Fiqh al Absat p10]

JazakAllah khayr akhee. Beautiful athaar there, mashaAllah.

but ukhtee i shud stress that a lot of scholars do say, "beware of saying glory to Allah IN HIS PLACE" because that is assigning a place to Allah and far above is what they assign to him....


i hope that makes sense, there was a beautiful statement of imam malik i read to further this statement, i'll try find it inshaAllah

I'm not quite sure what you mean. Could you please clarify, because I'm a bit confused.

also from creed of imam at-tahawi:

number 47 : He (Allah) is transcendent beyond limits, ends, supports, components, or instruments. The six directions do not contain Him as they do created things.

sry sis i dont understand what you find confusing, but read wnb's post maybe it will make it more clear.


If it doesnt, let me know what confuses you inshaAllah

Akhee, saying that Allah is everywhere is putting Him in a place. Confirming what Allah has described Himself with is not 'putting Him in a place'.

Imaam Muhammad ibn Khuzaymah (d.311H):
"We and all scholars of our way, whether in al-Hijaaz, al-Tihama, Jemn, Iraq, Syria or Egypt, we all say about Allaah what He said about Himself, and we profess this with our tongues and believe in it in our hearts, without equating Allaah’s Face with that of any of His creatures…
…We and all our scholars in all our lands say that the One we worship has a Face, as Allaah told us in His clear revelation, which ascribed to it is Magnificence (al-Jalal) and Venerability (al-Ikram), declaring it to be eternal and denying that it will ever perish, We furthermore say that our Lord’s Face radiates so much bright light, so much splendour that if one lifted the veil covering it, its glory would scorch everything in its scope. The gaze of the people of this world is protected from the beam of its eyes; no man will ever see Him during his earthly life. And we say that our Lord’s Face has no beginning and no end, it was always part of the One who remains and never perishes."


Taken from: Imaam ibn Khuzaymah’s Kitaab at-Tawheed wa-Ithbat Sifaat al-Rabb, Beirut 1983, P. 10ff and 22ff (translated into English by Moulay ‘Abdullaah Ghizli)

Who says, 'Glory be to Allah in His place'? I've never heard anyone say that. That's what I found confusing.

^ Assalamu alaikum,


i agree, it is extremely wrong to say Allah is everywhere ! thats like a hindu belief! but the deleted post of wnb showed that even imam malik read the ayyat confirming that ALlah has risen above his throne, but he rahimahullah then added "but we dont know in what manner"


i hope i havent said anything misleading, and Allah is the one who guides all so may he turn our hearts towards his obedience and give us sufficient 'ilm and understanding to not be mislead


Ameen !

lool i see, in that case never mind, its all good

There are a lot of scholars from the indian sub continent who claim that Allah is everywhere!!!!
This is backed up by their interpretation of "Allah is closer to you than your jugular vein" ayat found in the quran.

They claim that Allah is present amongst his creation........but not with his knowledge!!!!Very bold statement to make...what do you think brothers and sisters on the forum???

So you think when you go to relieve yourself in the bathroom Allah(SWT) is in the bathroom with you?!? (Naudhubiila)