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a shame he goes, yet worthless dissolute scum, who are completely unrestrained by convention or morality are allowed to leave such comments in my PM box..

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Default Re: Trinity Questions - MUSLIMS ONLY PLEASE!!!! - 01-30-2008

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I know that in the Bible, Jesus (peace be upon him) never explicitly states "I am God". However, when I told this to a Christian, they said that Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I am" (John 8:58). They claim that 'I am' is God's special name, and by saying 'I am', Jesus was identifying himself with God. The Greek for "I am" is 'ego eimi', which is what the New Testament uses. The Septuagint (Greek translation of the Old Testament) translates "I AM WHO AM" in Exodus 3:14 (which is where the name comes from) as 'ego eimi ho ôn'. Where God tells Moses to say "say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent you", the Greek used for 'I AM' is 'ho ôn', not 'ego eimi'. 'ôn' is the present participle, indicating a progressive action (being).

In spite of this, how would one respond to the Christian's claims that Jesus using the name "I am" makes him God?


COI(children of isreal) asked Eesa that who he knew of Ibraheem??? So he replied to them by saying that "Before Abraham was GOD", & God is the ONE who told Jesus(Eesa) about Abraham.

Like God told Prophet Muhammad About previous prophets.




It was same God that talked to Mosa:-
If “I AM” here refers to GOD of Moses:-
Exodus:3:14“And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you”
Then it also refers to GOD(not Jesus) here:-JN 8:57“Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
John:8:58“Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily,I say unto you, Before Abraham was,I AM.”
Which means that before Abraham GOD was present & HE gave me(Jesus) knowledge of Abraham.

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u may invite Christians to watch video of Dr. Zakir Naik.

few lines from his lecture :

A study of the Christian scriptures reveals that Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity. In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, "I am God" or where he says, "worship me".



In fact the Bible contains statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in which he preached quite the contrary.



The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ (pbuh):


(i) "My Father is greater than I."
[The Bible, John 14:28]

(ii) "My Father is greater than all."
[The Bible, John 10:29]

(iii) "…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…."
[The Bible, Mathew 12:28]

(iv) "…I with the finger of God cast out devils…."
[The Bible, Luke 11:20]

(v) "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
[The Bible, John 5:30]



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(v) "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
[The Bible, John 5:30]
This statemet is enough to know he was and what was his purpose in this world.

if anyone says "I seek not my own will but the will of my Father(God)" Equivalent of meaning of arabic word Muslim.
And prophet Jesus (Peace be upon Him) was a Muslim.
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