Is God father of Jesus? Surely He is not father of any. So, the verse must be corrupt and a corrupt verse should not be knowingly cited.

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All ibadah (worships) are for Allah. Does the story mean that the durud is for Mohammed (pbuh)? Will he be able to give any reward to any reciter of durud? Surely not. If so, then why should it be reported to Mohammed (pbuh) ?

Authu Billahi mina-Shaytan-ir Rajeem
Bismillah-ir Rahman-ir Raheem,


who necroposted?

ANYWAY, here's a "different" look at the claims of Christians in regard to their shirk,

Jesus/Isa[pbuh], according to the Christians is God, he and God are the same [Nowuthu Billah]; now in order to forgive us for something Adam [pbuh] did, Jesus/Isa[pbuh] had to be killed. now, who could [in theory] kill God except for God?????

so, according to Christians, God killed himself [because surely no-one can kill God], in order to forgives us from Adam's [pbuh] sin...

is suicide permissible in either Judaism, "Christianity" or Islam? NO! therefore to say that God HAD to violate the "Law" in order to "save us" from Adam [pbuh] violating the "Law" is ridiculous! WHO will then need to be sacrificed for God's breaking of His own Law?????

Christians also recite in their "Our Father" prayer: forgive us our sins as we forgive those who trespass against us" how come it doesn't say that they have to either kill themselves our their firstborn in order to forgive someone else??

just something to ponder....

I hope I can be forgiven making a comment. I'll not respond to individual posts, for I know I have no right to debate in this thread. But would like to say something for informational purposes that some of you may wish to think about. You see, one of the things I see happening is that assumptions are made regarding things that Christians believe regarding the Trinity that are not what Christians really believe. Often those assumptions aren't even stated in the posts. But when a person who holds those assumptions tries to educate others regarding the Trintiy they have those mistaken assumptions in their own mind when they beginning the process of analyzing, challenging, and submitting the Trinity to logic. Ultimately they reach conclusions which are posted in this thread. But if the assumptions are wrong to begin with, then those posts aren't really about the Trinity (or at least not what Christians mean by it), but something else that is not a part of our theology.

Disprove it, call it shirk, continue your discussion without correction from us Christians, but what you are disproving and calling shirk would not be the Christian Trinity, but only a stawman version of it created by those who apparently have no real knowledge of the Trinity.

So, you can knock it down, and knock it down pretty easily (I know I would certainly join with you in wanting to knock down some of the things that are being presented as if they were the Trinity here). But for all the posts (and even wisdom) this thread contains, unless you are actually discussing the concepts with regard to the Trinity that Christians actually hold to, you aren't discussing the genuine article, but the strawman others have created in its place.

what's the problem ? Allah sends darud to Prophet & it's the command of Allah for believers to do so .


"Verily Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet (s).

O, Believer! Send blessings upon him and salute him with a worthy salutation."




Surat Al-Ahzab (33:56).

offering darud for the Prophet (p) & reporting the matter about it does not make him equal to God. It's not worshipping Muhammed (p) but obeying God's command.

So , this practise / belief is not a shirk/blasphemy at all.

the "Father" means daddy...Why A God is FAther? Father is attribute to human,not to God.....Jesus is Son of Man,Not Son of God....Isa al masih ibnu maryam!...God put the Nur(Quran)and Holy spirit(Bible) into Jesus,mean is created by Clay and Allah put a light into his heart,every chosen prophets by Allah,there will be a Light(Nur).....So jesus is noT Saviour,but to speak the words of Saviour,no one to be claimed to be as God,other than God!!

Verse 33:56 is the most misunderstood one. Allah does not send durud. Whom will Allah pray for Mohammed? Allah either supports or blesses Mohammed. Allah does the same to all muttakins. Reciting durud (not sending) is command of Allah and the reward is from Allah. Why should Mohammed or his grave come into the play? Why should it be reported to him? Is he an entity to be pleased and reward? Only the misguided mushrikeens may take resort to such heinous faith and action, which is like worshiping a god besides God.

I disagree abt Dr. Nayek.

There can b many reason which u don’t know or I do as well. We do not know any of other’s inner intention. So blaming others without knowing the real fact is an unwanted thing.

See this realistic example
Look when I speech how many ppl will listen 1-5 ppl may be..
But when top social person speeches how many will listen. It cud b 1000-100000 ppl.
So if u want 2 speak and make a large number of ppl listen to u have to b a top social person or a famous person or a powerful person or a leader of ur clan.

Rasulullah tried more to preach to the leader type person bocoz if a leader became convinced than most of his follower will b convinced with him as well.
It may looked to u Dr. Nayek is earning fame. But if u takes other angle it may look to u he may want to be a famous person in order to gain a comfortable access to a large number of ppl or top ranking ppl.

If we found he giving his effort to preaches an authentic things and make a very large number of ppl listen to it than there can’t b any doubt of his inner intention.

By the way. One think I must say you. No one is perfect. We r human. We can do mistakes.

I think u misunderstanding this phrase totally. His idea was to prove from bible to the Christian. Who believe Bible is a word of God.

Look
U takes a quotation from Quran in order to convince a Christian that he is in wrong track.
U takes a quotation from Bible in order to convince a Christian that he is in wrong track.
What will b more workable?

As per my jurgement. I am no find him to convince a Muslim by quoting verse from Bible.