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| Newbie Status: Offline Posts: 7,887 Reputation: 26439 Rep Power: 55 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ka zik stan Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
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| BewafaiKiHadhHoGayi~ Status: Offline Posts: 10,438 Reputation: 26435 Rep Power: 57 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In a world full of trials and tribulations... Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
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and The Black Stone is one of the White Rubies of Paradise and it was turned black by the sins of the polytheists. It will be resurrected on the Day of Judgement as a witness to those who touched and kissed it with good faith. (v. 2, p. 194) Source . ...Kabhi khwaab mai, socha na tha - Jeena parhe ga, tujhe chor ke... ![]() Rhymes Thread Stats - Click Here | ||
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| Newbie Status: Offline Posts: 7,887 Reputation: 26439 Rep Power: 55 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ka zik stan Way of Life: Muslim | WalaykumSalaam,#
__________________Just...2 continue on from sis Ahlaaaaam and Bump The black stone in the Yemeni corner was not always black, but has become black due to the peoples sins etc etc Also if you cannot reach the stone to kiss it you can touch it or point to it, some guy actually picked me up, what the heck is that even Islamic?! I hope ma umrah was valid, what a plonkah! |
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| BewafaiKiHadhHoGayi~ Status: Offline Posts: 10,438 Reputation: 26435 Rep Power: 57 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In a world full of trials and tribulations... Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
As for touching the black stone - if u cannot, you raise ur hand (like doing takbeer in prayer) and say "Bismillaah Allaahu Akbar wa lillahil hamd" - In the name of Allaah, Allaah is Great and to Allaah belongs all praises . ...Kabhi khwaab mai, socha na tha - Jeena parhe ga, tujhe chor ke... ![]() Rhymes Thread Stats - Click Here | |
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| Extremophile Status: Offline Posts: 6,325 Reputation: 20977 Rep Power: 50 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swimming with thermus aquaticus in Yellowstone National Park Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | If by pre-flood you mean the flood during Noahs time, then the Ka'ba was built much after the flood by Abraham and his son.
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| Ummah Under 1 Banner Status: Offline Posts: 10,208 Reputation: 38769 Rep Power: 77 Join Date: May 2005 Location: ...travelling to the hereafter.. Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | We circumbulate the Ka'ba because it's the example of Prophet Ibrahim. If Allah has decreed something as an act of worship, it is because it is loved by Him, therefore we perform it hoping to gain His pleasure, reward and Mercy. Even if we don't understand how it gain's His pleasure. If it is in accordance with what He has commanded us - we do it. And their is reward and Mercy (in this life and the hereafter) for those who hear and obey. |
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| Question EVERYTHING! Status: Offline Posts: 1,950 Reputation: 5326 Rep Power: 15 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: England Gender: Way of Life: Agnostic | Cheers for the Answers guys. Thats helpful stuff.
__________________BTW, the reason I wanted to know if the structure was pre-flood was someone on forums told me Abraham circumambulated it and i cant find a Hadeeth or Surah that confirmed that. Occupation: The term of control of a territory by foreign military forces: Iraq 2003-2005 Liberation:when something or someone is freed: Operation Telic 2003 |
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| Servant of Allah Status: Offline Posts: 2,108 Reputation: 5637 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Journey to Akhirah, Insha'Allah! Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | The building of the Ka`bah remained after the time of Prophet Ibrahim (peace and blessings be upon him), though it had some structural damage from time to time and underwent repairs. When Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing be upon him) was about thirty-five years old, before his Prophethood, the Quraish rebuilt the Ka`bah because it had been damaged due to a major flood in Makkah. The Ka`bah today stands on the same foundations on which it was raised by Prophet Ibrahim and his son Isma`il (peace and blessings be upon them).
__________________The Qur’an say that it was first built by Adam (peace and blessings be upon him) and some others say that it was first built by the angels on this earth. When Prophet Ibrahim (peace and blessings be upon him) arrived at the place of the Ka`bah, the building itself did not exist. Even the city of Makkah had no inhabitants. Allah showed Prophet Ibrahim the site of the Ka`bah (Al-Hajj 22: 26) and then he and his son Isma`il (peace and blessings be upon them both) together raised its foundations and built it from the ground up (Al-Baqarah 2: 127). In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One. Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creation need, He neither eats nor drinks.) He begets not, nor was He begotten. And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him. ![]() |
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| Slave of Allaah Status: Offline Posts: 3,385 Reputation: 17373 Rep Power: 43 Join Date: Apr 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Hello Barney,
__________________I found this answer to your question which may also be helpful: The wisdom behind tawaaf (circumambulation of the Ka’bah) was explained by the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) when he said: “Tawaaf around the House, saa’i between al-Safa and al-Marwah and stoning of the Jamaraat have been ordained to establish remembrance of Allaah.” The pilgrim who goes around the House of Allaah venerates Allaah in his heart which makes him remember Allaah. His movement in walking and kissing and saluting the Black Stone and the Yemeni Corner, and pointing to the Stone, are remembrance of Allaah because they are acts of worship of Him, and every act of worship is remembrance of Allaah in a general sense. As for the words he utters, such as takbeer, dhikr and du’aa’, they are obviously remembrance of Allaah. Kissing the Black Stone is an act of worship in the sense that a person is kissing a stone with which he has no connection except that he is worshipping Allaah by venerating it and following the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by doing so, as it is proven that the caliph ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) said when he kissed the Black Stone: “I know that you are a stone and can neither bring benefit nor cause harm; were it not that I had seen the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) kiss you, I would not have kissed you.”And from another part of the site: The Muslim who affirms the Oneness of Allaah obeys the command of Allaah in all matters, great and small. When he hears the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning), “and circumambulate the Ancient House (the Ka‘bah at Makkah)” [al-Hajj 22:29], he cannot help but obey them, so he circumambulates the sacred House out of love for Allaah and in obedience to Him, hoping for mercy from Allaah and fearing His punishment. And he does not go beyond what he has been commanded to do of tawaaf, so he does not touch the stones of this House or think that it can bring benefit or cause harm. {...And indeed it is a Book of exalted power. No falsehood can approach it from before or behind it: It is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all Praise.} [Fussilat: 41-42] Islamic Newsletters: http://www.islamleicester.com/Conten...7/Default.aspx If I make a mistake then please correct me, and if I have said something wrong then please forgive me. |
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| Ummah Under 1 Banner Status: Offline Posts: 10,208 Reputation: 38769 Rep Power: 77 Join Date: May 2005 Location: ...travelling to the hereafter.. Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass [taa'if*] it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer). [Qur'an 2:125]
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| Servant of Allah Status: Offline Posts: 2,108 Reputation: 5637 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Journey to Akhirah, Insha'Allah! Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Five years before the start of the Prophet's mission, there came a flood which destroyed the Ka`bah's building. The Quraysh divided among themselves the various responsibilities connected with its reconstruction. They hired a Roman builder to build it and an Egyptian carpenter to help him with the woodwork. When the time came to fix the Black Stone, a dispute erupted as to which clan should be accorded the honor of putting the Black Stone in its place. Then they agreed to leave the decision to Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, who at that time was thirty-five years old, because they had full faith in his deep wisdom and sound judgment. He got his robe, and putting the Stone on it, told all the clans to hold the sides of the robe and raise it together. When the Stone reached the required height (on the eastern corner), he took it in his hands and fixed it in its proper place.
__________________But the Quraysh found their funds exhausted. So they reduced the size on one side - as it is today; thus a part of the original foundation was left out, and that is the portion known as 'Hijr Isma`il' (the Enclosure of Isma`il). More information: http://www.islamonline.net/english/h...article2.shtml In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One. Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creation need, He neither eats nor drinks.) He begets not, nor was He begotten. And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him. ![]() |
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| Question EVERYTHING! Status: Offline Posts: 1,950 Reputation: 5326 Rep Power: 15 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: England Gender: Way of Life: Agnostic | Quote:
Cheers all, escpecially Qatada, thats the bit I couldnt find! Occupation: The term of control of a territory by foreign military forces: Iraq 2003-2005 Liberation:when something or someone is freed: Operation Telic 2003 | |
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