Originally Posted by Khaldun

Also during the night journey, the Prophets came together there and were lead in prayer by Prophet Muhammad.

Please give me some reference regarding this prayer. Jazakhallah khair.

masjid alharam makkah is amazing is so so so amazing just lookin at it brings tears to ur eyes!!!!!!!!!!!! subhanal

The clear answer is that Makkah is the house of Allah and Madinah, the house of Prophet(S.A).

Originally Posted by MMohammed

The clear answer is that Makkah is the house of Allah and Madinah, the house of Prophet(S.A).

Now my simple question is this: why does Allah need a house in the first place? In Christianity, we believe God to be everywhere. He doesn't need a church or a 'house' to live in, such an idea is blasphemous.

Originally Posted by Supreme

Now my simple question is this: why does Allah need a house in the first place? In Christianity, we believe God to be everywhere. He doesn't need a church or a 'house' to live in, such an idea is blasphemous.

Why do you have churches then and call them the house of God?
obviously your god not only needed a house but a womb and everything else that regular humans need or suffer!

all the best

an addendum to my above:

1 Timothy 3:15 (King James Version)


15But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth

Originally Posted by Crazy_Lady

^Allah doesn't live in a church or a house either, we also believe he's everywhere!

The main purpose of Makkah is so that people may worship Allah...

I didn't say God needed a house, I am just trying to point the flaws in his argument given the very nature of the god he worships and I'd love for him to explain the passage from his bible that I referenced!

The whole of the world is a place where we can pray except certain unclean places .

Originally Posted by Supreme

... So, is there any Quran verse that says it is more holier than Medina or Hadith?...

Quran:3:96: The first house (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka (old name of Makkah): Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings



To Supreme,

u'll read in bible about "Abraham"/ "Abram" migrating with "Lot" when he was pointed by angels of a place... He came back later to build an "altar" at that place pointed by angels..... that's we believe was Kabbah in Makkah.... & Abraham re-built it on it's old long-lost foundations

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[B]Genesis:12:.6:[/B] And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.
7 And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.

Originally Posted by Crazy_Lady

^Allah doesn't live in a church or a house either, we also believe he's everywhere!

The main purpose of Makkah is so that people may worship Allah...

I would like to add to this. Before the big bang, there was no time or space. After the big bang happened (out of no where a huge explosion that spread the matter...) the creation started to form. ..
Allah is separate from time and space. He is above it. His knowledge encompasses everything, that is how He is everywhere.

this is according to the true Ordhodox Islam:Evidence that Allaah is exalted high above His creation and that He is above the heavens


http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/992/where%20is%20allah

We don't know who God is or what God is. God revealed 99 names about Him( the most merciful, Fair etc..) The rest He hidd from us.

And I think I know what you are trying to accuse us of by turning to Kabba. It is just a direction in which we turn to pray. It forms a unity amongst the Muslims. The stone was stolen years ago, but still turned to that direction, that is a proof that the stone is not of much importance to us. As said by a hadeeth.
It would be very awkward for us to turn to our desired direction. When you go to chrch, don't you all turn to one direction?

I'd like to paste this by another forum: "what you should ask yourself is where did these beliefs come to the pagan Arabs from? As you know, both the Jews and the Arabs are descendants of Abraham. While the Jews were sent Prophets after Ibrahim AS (`Alayhis Salam - Upon Him Be Peace), the Arabs were not, until Muhammad PBUH (Peace Be Upon Him) came. In fact, the pagan Arabs knew about Ibrahim, and they considered him their father, and they claimed to follow Ibrahim's religion, but they had perverted the pure monotheism of Ibrahim with lots of idol worship and many other things.

Fasting, praying, and the Hajj were all done by Ibrahim in his true monotheistic faith. If you read the Quran, it tells us that it was Ibrahim and his son, who after building the Kaabah in Makkah, asked Allah to make it a House of Worship. Allah has answered Ibrahim's call magnificently, for today you see millions for Hajj, and billions praying facing the Kaabah around the world. (As a sidenote, the Kaabah was first actually built by Adam AS, but in recent history, it was rebuilt by Ibrahim).

As you know, all the Prophets were Muslims and they all followed Islam. When we fast during Ramadan, when we pray, when we do Hajj, we are doing and remembering the things that Ibrahim AS did.

So yes, of course there was a similarity between Arab pagan religion and the Islam that Muhammad PBUH brought. But this is not because Muhammad PBUH developed Islam from the paganism of the Arabs. It is because the Arabs developed their paganism out of the Islam of Ibrahim AS."

If you want to continue speaking about this, I can really refute you by the information I have from people who are very versed on this subject.

Originally Posted by Gossamer skye

Why do you have churches then and call them the house of God?
obviously your god not only needed a house but a womb and everything else that regular humans need or suffer!

all the best

Churches are congregations of people; indeed, church in its original meaning actually means the worlwide Christian congregation. The church 'building' is a place of worship, God has no home.

15But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth

Such is a metaphor; a church is referenced as a 'house' of God as it is believed His Spirit is amongst the worshippers in the church. Jesus Himself said: 20For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."
Matthew 18:20

Therefore, it is not a house in the traditional sense of the word; rather, a confirmation that God lives wherever His followers worship Him.

u'll read in bible about "Abraham"/ "Abram" migrating with "Lot" when he was pointed by angels of a place... He came back later to build an "altar" at that place pointed by angels..... that's we believe was Kabbah in Makkah.... & Abraham re-built it on it's old long-lost foundations

I understand that Muslim belief places the Kaaba as an altar created by Abram; what I cannot concieve is how it is the 'house' of God.

Originally Posted by Supreme

Churches are congregations of people; indeed, church in its original meaning actually means the worlwide Christian congregation. The church 'building' is a place of worship, God has no home.

Are you a concrete thinker? Do you know what a metaphor is?

Such is a metaphor; a church is referenced as a 'house' of God as it is believed His Spirit is amongst the worshippers in the church. Jesus Himself said: 20For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."
Matthew 18:20

Oh so you do know what a metaphor is after all, or is this hypocrisy as you seem to be so ill read of your own good book?

Therefore, it is not a house in the traditional sense of the word; rather, a confirmation that God lives wherever His followers worship Him.

Your bible seems to suggest otherwise-- unless of course you'd like to take aspects of it that are incongruous with others out for it to have some semblance of sense and fluidity?

I understand that Muslim belief places the Kaaba as an altar created by Abram; what I cannot concieve is how it is the 'house' of God.

It can't be that difficult to conceive a metaphor, given what your mind has to make literal of the very nature of god, his life, birth and death..


all the best

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Originally Posted by Supreme

Now my simple question is this: why does Allah need a house in the first place? In Christianity, we believe God to be everywhere. He doesn't need a church or a 'house' to live in, such an idea is blasphemous.

The Ka'bah, in Makkah, is a house that Allah ordered to be built dedicated to His worship.

Verily, the first House (of worship) appointed for mankind was that at Bakkah (Makkah), full of blessing, and a guidance for Al-'Alamin (mankind and jinn).
3:96

And when We made the House a pilgrimage for men and a (place of) security, and: Appoint for yourselves a place of prayer on the standing-place of Ibrahim. And We enjoined Ibrahim and Ismail saying: Purify My House for those who visit (it) and those who abide (in it) for devotion and those who bow down (and) those who prostrate themselves.
2:125

Nobody said He lived in it.

I don't think you understood the term properly.

Peace.

Originally Posted by Supreme

I understand that Muslim belief places the Kaaba as an altar created by Abram; what I cannot concieve is how it is the 'house' of God.

There's an Arab tradition, that Kabba is exactly under the "Bait-ul-Mamoor" (The Throne of Allah beyond 7th sky)......

I don't know of any authentic quote from Quran or Hadees about that...!!!