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| LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 210 Reputation: 186 Rep Power: 13 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Malden, MA, USA Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | The extent of covering has been linked to social status for millenia. Perhaps the prohibition of niqab and "gloves" (quffaz were more like mittens), were a female version of ihram- a simple dress that eliminates markers of social status. I'm not going to argue whether it was indeed forbidden during Hajj, but if it was, perhaps it was to break down barriers of social class, much like the fact that men do not conceal themselves from public view during Hajj, regardless of their status, but when they return to normal life, no one gets to see them without intermediaries.
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| Prince Farooq AlAmin Status: Offline Posts: 684 Reputation: 479 Rep Power: 12 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: UK Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | I have an opinion on Niqaab which I dont actually have on me right now as Im at work however... there are always reasons behind certain rules...
__________________Women can wear a cap style veil which I saw in Umrah but again there are differences of opinion on this matter... The Prophet (pbuh) said you cannot wear a niqaab during Hajj because Hajj is like when you will be in Paradise you will not need to cover yourself then as you will be focused mainly on Allah (swt) and you will not be looking elsewhere... i.e. opposite genders... (its in one of my hadiths ... Sahih al-Burkhari ... ill reference when i get the chance to get home) There are ALWAYS REASONS for a rule in Islam, the prophet (pbuh) didnt make up rules as he went along... theres a reason why Hadiths were made... the prophet also said pass on my messages of islam (dawah) to others to learn and implement... [again Burkhari] During Ihram it is recommended not to wer niqaab... in fact I dont think niqaab is even fard upon women...even though alot of Alimahs and Saudi women wear it... even Men have Hijab...! Niqaab is not clearly mentioned in the Hadith nor Quran... it is merely the schalors decision to decide and this is also very debatable as there are too many differences of opinion... but of course theres common sense too... the Hadith mentions veils and covering yourself up yes but there is no SPECIFIC covering that is mentioned.... Hijab and Jilbab would be very ideal Niqaab is optional in a sense of sunnah not fard... In many countries not many older women tend to wear the niqaab however younger women do due to beauty... this has occured in many arab countries also including the Western countries... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Can I just say this is quite a topic to discuss I will not say you are right or wrong. In my own personal opinion, women would at least wear a Hijab and maybe jilbab (or what ever loose garment). The Niqaab is also important, but it’s the modern society around us today that has changed people’s opinions on these very issues. In Saudi its ok to wear a Niqaab as its compulsory but in the UK women have to not only have intentions but also courage and be brave on wearing it as you should know that these silly suicide bombers trying to portray Islam in a bad way and in turn back lashed into our own communities. As a Muslim I'd be more worried about our Sisters out there alone in Niqaab as people (non-Muslims) would abuse their Niqaab as a terrorist garment then anything else. If I were to avoid this situation I would say women would not have to wear the Niqaab unless they themselves feel comfortable. The Niqaab in this country is more out standing then in Saudi. Its not about the Government its about the modern society as a whole and the lives we live in are forever changing and if we are to live here we should not only use common sense but also intentions to do the right things at the right time. Summary I understand the Quran and Hadith, but there comes a point in life where you must think about the modern era. The prophet’s (pbuh) time has come and gone (even though we must follow his path) we must think about the implications it will follow and about our Brothers and Sisters too. For example, suicide bombings are totally forbidden; yet some people carry it out, this kind of scenario leads to our own Ummah getting punished for their crimes. So my only hope is that Ill pray for our Muslim Sisters, Ameen. Ma’asalaama |
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| "TaL|bAh" Status: Offline Posts: 109 Reputation: 80 Rep Power: 14 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: A mOtEl NaMeD EaRtH Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | ASALAOMOALAIKUM
__________________it is to say that ...niqab is obligatory/ compulsory for every muslim women who performz hajj and umra ...yes indeed it is not allowed in the islamic shariah that no cloth should touch the face of muslim women but the shariat never said that women are allowed to not hide their face ....if u see the women of saudia arabia performing hajj and umra u will clearly see that they hang a piece of cloth which does not touch their face. So from where i studied it is obligatory for a women to use that cloth to hide her face. jazakullah Rasulullah (saw) said: "All things fear a person who fears Allah, while evrybody is a source of fear to him who fears other than Allah" "Ev3ry $oUl $h@LL H@V3 Th3 T@$t3 oF d3@tH" (XXIX:57) |
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| Prince Farooq AlAmin Status: Offline Posts: 684 Reputation: 479 Rep Power: 12 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: UK Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
I mean Hijab we know is but is there any Hadith that SPECIFICALLY states niqaab as fard or merely sunnah... as Ive always read it as Sunnah... in some countries its so badly politically messed up that niqaab would be an intimidation and therefore sisters get attack... in this scenario I wouldnt recommend it... common sense! | |
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| . Status: Offline Posts: 6,558 Reputation: 19950 Rep Power: 50 Join Date: Mar 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
the bold part. can you explain. i remember reading with regards to this and the scholar said there is no basis and nothing in hadith saying anything with regards to this hence is just inconveniencing a person | |
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