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- Serene - · **Re: Kissing the Ka’bah is not prescribed in sharee’ah -** 05-13-2008

^ There is more than one opinion - don't be narrow minded mate

**Abdul Baari** · 06:49 PM

Assalamu Alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakaatuh,

Can we please try to stay on topic. The original purpose of the thread was about Kissing the Ka'abah not the Qura'an.

However i would like to add,

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

If the scholars differed concerning it in their fatwas or what is heard in their exhortations and advice, for example, then he should follow the one who he thinks is closer to the truth in his knowledge and religious commitment.
[Liqa’ al-Baab il-Maftooh (no. 46, question no. 1136) ]

Theres no need for a debate on the matter is there?

JazakAllah Khayr

truemuslim · **Re: Kissing the Ka’bah is not prescribed in sharee’ah -** 05-13-2008

^ Jazakallah khair brother

and jazakallah khair sis Ramlah for the topic.

Al-Zaara · **Re: Kissing the Ka’bah is not prescribed in sharee’ah -** 05-13-2008

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Originally Posted by IbnMuhammad

*sigh*

Can you refer me to a book instead of copy and paste fatwa's? Anyone can shop for fatwas until you find that ounce of information that you suits you. I want to see more views on this because I refuse to blind follow, until then i'm not convinced.

*sigh*

I've seen you copy-paste fatawa, now what's wrong with me doing it? We can't go and make our own judgments, for that we've got fatawa, right? And every fatwa you use is a fatwa that suits you, because you've accepted it.
Ikrima, Umaar and Uthman are said to have kissed the Qur'an. Ibn Abidin - Hashiyat rad al muhtar 5:244-246 and al Zarkashi - Ulum al-Quran 1:478 Al Kattani - Nizam al Hukuma al Nabawiyya 2:196-197 - al-Taratib al-Idariyya ("Prophetic Governance - also known as The Administrative Constitution"), Abdullah ibn Mubarak - al-Jihad no. 56.
Imam Ahmad radiAllahu anhu records this and Imam ibn Taymiyah acknowledges this fact.

Lastly, I just thought a post from another member in another forum was interesting and well put so I'm gonna paste it here:

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You need to differenciate between two points (the same applies to other things like Mawlid):
(1) The first point is in regards to asking those who don't kiss the Quran to kiss the Quran.
(2) The second point is in regards to asking those who do kiss the Quran to stop kissing the Quran.

If asking someone to kiss the Quran because 'kissing the Quran is obligation' or 'kissing the Quran is recommended', then, one should provide a daleel (Quran or Prophetic Sunna) that shows how the ruling (obligation or recommended) was made/extracted. On the other hand, asking someone to stop kissing the Quran requires a 'daleel' which shows that this action is either forbidden, disliked, or an innovation. Unfortunately, when it comes to this point, if there is no daleel that it is forbidden or disliked, there are two line of reasonings/understanding:
- The first one says the action is an innovation without looking at its permissiblity.
- The second one says the action is permissible or even a good innovation (bid'a hasana) if it doesn't contain 'haram' or 'makrooh' things.

When it comes to kissing the Quran, it is the seen, by the second group, as something permissible especially that some of the salaf have done it. Those who do kiss the Quran cannot ask those who don't do it to do it unless it is an advice out of respect to the Quran. Also, those who don't kiss the Quran cannot ask those who do it to stop doing it.

But I shall leave the thread now and not continue this, I'm way off-topic and that's not of good behaviour.

Selam aleykum

IbnAbdulHakim · **Re: Kissing the Ka’bah is not prescribed in sharee’ah -** 05-13-2008

ikhtilaaf *rubs head*

how comes one fatwa shows so many sahaabis warning against it and one shows only one sahabi (ikrimah) kissing it.

well i guess you can follow whichever but the stronger opinion clearly seems against it.

and seein as its not sunnah nor wajib not fard.. why not just avoid it?

i hope my logic isnt messed up here, coz seriously we should be safe...

also doing what wasnt done by the sahabis is a really bad thing so we should stay away from that inshAllaah

'Abd-al Latif · 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Al-Zaara

*sigh*

I've seen you copy-paste fatawa, now what's wrong with me doing it? We can't go and make our own judgments, for that we've got fatawa, right? And every fatwa you use is a fatwa that suits you, because you've accepted it.
Ikrima, Umaar and Uthman are said to have kissed the Qur'an. Ibn Abidin - Hashiyat rad al muhtar 5:244-246 and al Zarkashi - Ulum al-Quran 1:478 Al Kattani - Nizam al Hukuma al Nabawiyya 2:196-197 - al-Taratib al-Idariyya ("Prophetic Governance - also known as The Administrative Constitution"), Abdullah ibn Mubarak - al-Jihad no. 56.
Imam Ahmad radiAllahu anhu records this and Imam ibn Taymiyah acknowledges this fact.

Lastly, I just thought a post from another member in another forum was interesting and well put so I'm gonna paste it here:

But I shall leave the thread now and not continue this, I'm way off-topic and that's not of good behaviour.

Selam aleykum

mods please close this thread.

**Abdul Baari** · **Re: Kissing the Ka’bah is not prescribed in sharee’ah -** 05-13-2008

Assalamu Alaykum,

It seems that this thread isn't going to go back on topic does it?

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