Theatheist:

Hi and welcome to the forums.
The palastinian "Insurgents" fight from built up areas for several reasons.
1)Thats where Israeli forces are concentrated
2)If they were to dress up in uniforms and try to shoot it out with the IDF they would lose. Several Arab armies could explain this to them in detail.

What is the proportion of Civilians to gunmen killed? You dont know. I dont know, Nobody on this board knows. 50% is just a figure pulled from your head. If you said 45.3% then i'd ask for scources, but 50% ....? Nahh, i'll say thats just your feelings rather than fact.

I do know this. If Israel was committing genocide, and trying to kill innocents , they wouldnt fire the occasional guided missile at identified Hamas Leadership targets in cars. They would carpet bomb the palastinian territory to dust in a continual wave of High Explosive using their 700 combat aircraft in twenty four hour raids seven days a week.

Despite the claims of the Palastinians, the IDF hasnt wiped them out and isnt trying to. If it wanted to , it could.

Now on the other hand, how are the palastinian "militia" attacking? Well simply by lobbing rockets at settlements. These are civilian outposts. No soldiers in them. Slaughtering Bar Mitzvas? Check, Shooting up schoolbuses? Check, Firing assault rifles into school classes? Check.

One thing the Jews never managed was a Jewish resistance to the real Holocaust, excepting the Warsaw uprising. In that battle, they wore arm bands and fought the german army in intense FIBUA conflict. They diddnt strap bombs onto their bellies and run into a german civilians wedding in Munich screaming religious devotion as they painted the cake with blood.

Meanwhile of course RAF Bomber command was killing 7000 a night carpet bombing citys. Now THAT is genocide.

Palastine, Isreal is far, far more capable than bomber command ever was. Try shutting off the suicide bombs and stones for a bit. Just a couple of years. Try talking. The wedding bombs dont seem to work very well. Strange really.

The Israeli Holocaust Against Arab Children

THE WORLD MUST KNOW!


Children have been shot in other conflicts I have covered--

death squads gunned them down in El Salvador and Guatemala, mothers with infants were lined up and massacred in Algeria, and Serb snipers put children in their sights...in Sarajevo--

but I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport,"

Hedges wrote. His account, coolly factual yet full of passionate intensity, was written not for his own paper but for Harper's Magazine, which sent Hedges to Gaza on his vacation."

The Nation, March 11, 2002




Israeli soldiers shot this eight-year-old Palestinian girl, Sabreen Abu Sneineh, in the head, in Hebron, Aug. 12, 2001

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine46.html

TheAtheist- Everything you said I could just flip around and apply to you. But like you said, it's too tiring to argue.

Oh, also, I came across this very interesting site yesterday.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org

Barney, i'll reply to you in few days because i'm in a hurry and because i'm going out of state.

Crayon -
i came across with very interesting site few days ago too -
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if you consider your site legitimate, so is this one

I disagree with the use of the word "holocaust" in the memorial, but it's not only muslims that are using it.

"A senior Israeli politician provoked controversy today when he warned that Palestinians firing rockets from Gaza would be punished with a "bigger holocaust" from Israeli armed forces."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...9/wholo129.xml

That guy is an idiot and should step down immediately

I Witnessed the Naksa of 1967


He is telling his story of how he was moved out of his home in Palestine and became a refugee in Lebanon – Listen!

http://www.islamonline.net/english/m...2007/06/01.ram

http://www.islamonline.net/English/I...ic_03/02.shtml

Israel bars UN envoy after 'holocaust' claim :

Israel has said it will refuse a visa for the new United Nations human rights envoy to the Palestinians after he said it was responsible for a "Holocaust in the making" in Gaza.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/08/wisrael108.xml

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My own level of sympathy for the Palestinains has gone up and down over the years.

When they use violence I have no sympathy for them.

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and when the zionists use violence?

hmmm. it seems like people only notice it wen Palistinains use "violence"
however wen the jews (zionists) are killing people every second that's considered normal???

You must live an awful shelterd life because on CNN they spend a lot of time focusing on Israeli actions.

Because it's hyperbole and an idiotic statement. 100 people don't make a holocaust.

Salaam/peace;


how many dead people make it a holocaust ?

Let's make it a even 6,000,000. You know what? Let's make it only 1,000,000. When you get to that number we can revisit the whole Holocaust thing.