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Default Re: "Terrible human rights crime in Gaza" - 05-13-2008

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no kidding? flying or driving?

train I beleive, I think don't know if directly through it or just nearby.

I've been a few times, always liked the city.
   
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train I beleive, I think don't know if directly through it or just nearby.

I've been a few times, always liked the city.
i think you will be passing nearby, i know it doesnt go through it. I dont actually live in Charlotte, I fly out of there a lot but I live about 60 miles outside the city in the country. I like it better out here, the city is a great city though, very clean and the people are a lot friendlier than in alot of other cities I visit. If you ever stop when you are passing through and you want a good dinner stop by Bentleys on 27, it is pricey but if you are by yourself it is no different than going out with your wife or girlfriend. Anyways it is on the 27th floor in the Charlotte Plaza and you get a really great view of the city (get the filet with crab).

Hope you have a safe trip.
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Default Re: "Terrible human rights crime in Gaza" - 05-20-2008

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Golan Heights and Jersualem are considered neutral land to be ran by the UN.
Why the U.N.? If you don't mind my asking. And why "Neutral" land? That's holy land. Shouldn't the sons of Abraham handle that? I mean, the U.N. doesn't exactly have any right to run the Vatican either?

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Default Re: "Terrible human rights crime in Gaza" - 05-20-2008

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What is your solution to the conflict?
You will all do the following:

1. Honor each other's dead.

2. Admit that the way in which the state of Israel was created was wrong and don't be afraid to make a new beginning.

3. Hold to the religious obligations of your ancestors.

4. Realize you are all different branches of the same family tree and just because your traditions are different, doesn't mean your faith is.

5. Find it in your hearts to heal your family - you've ALL been through enough misery and none of you have gained from it.

6. Embrace God by whatever name you like. He is your glue.

If I could give you the tribal lands of Benjamin and Judah, your rightful inheritence, with signed permissions from every Muslim scholar (and I do mean every last one of them), so there is not one left in dispute, would you be willing to forgive and be forgiven? We're talking about a different Israel... a "real" one that won't need walls to hide behind.

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Why the U.N.? If you don't mind my asking. And why "Neutral" land? That's holy land. Shouldn't the sons of Abraham handle that? I mean, the U.N. doesn't exactly have any right to run the Vatican either?

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The UN because that what came to me off the top of my head. Jerusalem can be governed by a council that's made up of equally Jewish, Islamic and Christian Scholars. The Golan Heights on the other hand has very strategic importance and should be handled by an objective group so that no one can use it to an advantage.

As for neutral I mean that no one of the 3 groups should be able to claim it as soley theirs.
   
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You will all do the following:

1. Honor each other's dead.

2. Admit that the way in which the state of Israel was created was wrong and don't be afraid to make a new beginning.

3. Hold to the religious obligations of your ancestors.

4. Realize you are all different branches of the same family tree and just because your traditions are different, doesn't mean your faith is.

5. Find it in your hearts to heal your family - you've ALL been through enough misery and none of you have gained from it.

6. Embrace God by whatever name you like. He is your glue.

If I could give you the tribal lands of Benjamin and Judah, your rightful inheritence, with signed permissions from every Muslim scholar (and I do mean every last one of them), so there is not one left in dispute, would you be willing to forgive and be forgiven? We're talking about a different Israel... a "real" one that won't need walls to hide behind.

If I could deliver that to you, would you accept it?

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I'm looking at practical solutions here. The scholars can't agree on if the hijab is suffiencient or if a woman is obligated to wear a niqab. I don't see them getting together til the arrival of the Mahdi, the return of Jesus, or the coming of the Messiah.
   
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I'm looking at practical solutions here. The scholars can't agree on if the hijab is suffiencient or if a woman is obligated to wear a niqab. I don't see them getting together til the arrival of the Mahdi, the return of Jesus, or the coming of the Messiah.
Trivial bickering over tradition is fine with me. It's even healthy, but I do know some of the scholars who contest most strongly... and I can tell you I've studied them closely. They're men of reputation (they don't lie) and this is an issue of respect and dignity. Above all, they are what they are and they will not disobey Allah, nor will their armies disobey them. Also they are not wrong in their complaint and have only become militant because they have not been honored... even though they are correct.

What you think is impossible, is not impossible for me and I'm not a Mahdi, Jesus or the Messiah. I'm just...

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Trivial bickering over tradition is fine with me. It's even healthy, but I do know some of the scholars who contest most strongly... and I can tell you I've studied them closely. They're men of reputation (they don't lie) and this is an issue of respect and dignity. Above all, they are what they are and they will not disobey Allah, nor will their armies disobey them. Also they are not wrong in their complaint and have only become militant because they have not been honored... even though they are correct.

What you think is impossible, is not impossible for me and I'm not a Mahdi, Jesus or the Messiah. I'm just...

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Sure, go with that.
   
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Sure, go with that.
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Default Re: "Terrible human rights crime in Gaza" - 05-22-2008

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I'm ashamed my country helps fund this cruelity, I hope, truely, that the people of Israel can live in peace and security someday, but they won't acheice that my treating the Palistinians like dogs>(
I feel you. Unfortunately until we break free from their grip I don't think we'll ever stop funding the wars over there.
   
 

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