Italy: Veils not mandatory for Muslim women, says Islamic leader - Page 2

Azzuri

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Originally Posted by Izyan

ok then they don't put on make up or jewlry. Problem solved.

Yeah....but women have become used to decorating their face....and Allah must have known about this....

Scents of Jannah

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Originally Posted by wth1257

That Surah seems, to me, to be commanding the covering of the "bosoms", not hair I don't think

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...and to draw their veils over their bosoms....

The veil refers to the head covering. 'Draw their veils over their bosoms' means the head covering should be long enough (not bandana type) to cover those parts.

aadil77

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Originally Posted by Malaikah

Not entirely true, since, for example, a person can and must be forced to pay their zakat (the government has the right to take it forcefully even), though I can see where are coming from.

Zakat is an obligation for muslims, but I don't see why they should be forced? It is their obligation, if they fail to do it is their error and Allah will deal with them justly,

Izyan

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Originally Posted by Azzuri

Yeah....but women have become used to decorating their face....and Allah must have known about this....

That is not what the verse says. It says women should avoid these things not cover her face

Izyan

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Originally Posted by Muslimah_Sis

The veil refers to the head covering. 'Draw their veils over their bosoms' means the head covering should be long enough (not bandana type) to cover those parts.

That's your interpretation. Do you have another Sunnah that backs this up? You are not a scholar hence you should not be interpreting these things.

Air Jordan

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Originally Posted by S1aveofA11ah

In Islam there is no forcing anyone to do anything - so you are quite correct. For example, the Muslim male should grow a beard and not shave but other Muslims should NEVER go around forcing/harrassing etc. the shaving Muslims. Rather, the sinners are to be gently advised (in secret) about their misdoings. This is a very important concept in Islam. Advise should be done in a gentle manner. It should not 'expose' or embarress the sinners. The idea is for reform not humiliation/destruction.

If they accept then all good. If not, then its between them and their Lord. Punishments is a different matter completely of course and should not be confused in this regard.

At the end of the day the whole meaning of Islam is to submits one's will to the will of the Creator. Its the individual's choice to do x, y or z and its those choices which are noted and rewarded/punished by Allah.

That all seems very sensible for anyone of the age of consent who has embraced Islam. Evidently someone needs to explain this to the Taliban.

Souljette

Where are some people coming from? All the scholars have agreed that HIjab is compulsory..in other words the covering of the hair and wearing modest clothing is something muslim women should abide by but their is only a debate between covering of the face and the whether it's compulsory or not..In the Qur'an it says juyubbina which means covering yourself from head to toe...we're taking the english translation instead of the actual meaning of the verse..:S

Malaikah · 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Izyan

I'm really insulted to think that you think just cause a man can see a womans hair it would make him aroused. There are many men out there with cloth fetishes so would that justify making women stay in the house 24/7?

How amazing that a person can feel insulted by words that weren't even spoken. I never said a man was going to get aroused by looking at a womans hair!

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Originally Posted by aadil77

Zakat is an obligation for muslims, but I don't see why they should be forced? It is their obligation, if they fail to do it is their error and Allah will deal with them justly,

You're forgetting a very important point though, and that is that zakat is the right of the poor... we have no right to keep that money from them. Therefore zakat must be forcibly taken by anyone if they refuses to pay, in the same way taxes are forcibly taken. The most well known example of this in out history is when Abu Bakr, as the caliph, with full support of hte companions, actually fought against a tribe who refused to pay the zakat.

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Souljette Souljette Of Allah Status: Offline Posts: 1,771 Reputation: 6482 Rep Power: 15 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: All over the place Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Italy: Veils not mandatory for Muslim women, says Islamic leader - 05-27-2008 Where are some people coming from? All the scholars have agreed that HIjab is compulsory..in other words the covering of the hair and wearing modest clothing is something muslim women should abide by but their is only a debate between covering of the face and the whether it's compulsory or not..In the Qur'an it says juyubbina which means covering yourself from head to toe...we're taking the english translation instead of the actual meaning of the verse..:S __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]“The believers in their mutual kindness, compassion and sympathy are just like one body. When one of the limbs is afflicted, the whole body responds to it with sleeplessness and fever”.