Iran signed the NPT Treaty.

Yes, I sometimes wonder about Bush's motives. I mean, it's as if he wants an Armegheddon! Sure, let them all wipe each other out, and then the Christian right can claim the lands for themselves. Some people's minds.



The Ninth Scribe

I'm kind of fuzzy on the whole subject. I do know these facts:

1. The nuclear program of Iran was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States as part of the Atoms for Peace program.

2. Iran ratified the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in 1970, and since February 1992 has allowed the IAEA to inspect its nuclear facilities.

3. Iranian officials have little confidence in the international community because of its behavior during the 1980s Iran-Iraq war.

So, from what I can tell, we helped Iran build it. They agreed to sign the treaty in 1970. They got into an argument with us (1980s Iran-Iraq war). Then we decided they couldn't have it. Gee... sounds like we rule the whole world, lol. We did that to Saddam Hussein too, didn't we? We took his side in the Iran-Iraq war but when he didn't behave the way we wanted, we handed him over to be hung?

You know, far be it for me to decide on these issues, but I have to agree with Osama bin Laden here when it comes to U.S. involvement in the Middle East because the United States is really schizophrenic. They NEVER really help. So, let me see if I have their argument squared here. They think that because a government that no longer exists signed a treaty, the new government has to keep it? But Israel doesn't because they would never sign it? And they're America's favorite??? Hahahahahahaha! Man, do I hate my government!

The Ninth Scribe

But they did bomb Iraq's nuclear development program in the 80's (which was in violation of several other treaties). So they think it's OK for them to have 'm but not for others, I'd say that's a double standard after all.

Will we ever see real peace in our lifetime?

I swear I posted this a week ago

edit: yep, but two days ago http://www.islamicboard.com/world-af...r-weapons.html (Israel has 150 nuclear weapons)

Its more like over 200

Why would israel keep it a secret from the U.S? they must have told em theirselves, they haven't got nothing to hide , as all israeli weapons are american anyway

Large nuclear stockpiles are built primarily in the case of large nuclear exchanges. The countries most likely to face such an incident are the U.S., Great Britain, Russia, or China. I suppose Israel is preparing for some possible exchange with China or Russia.

Most Israeli weapons are made in Israel, the most obvious example being their tank design, which in many ways outclasses U.S. tank designs.

when we die..

What about all the fighter jets f16's f15's, and guns, all those m16's, m4 carbs, same rocket launchers etc

they look like a another american army

Yes to the first part...no to the second.

That is a stretch. The US built a toy 5 megawat reactor (enough for about 50,000 lightbulbs) Not big enough to produce plutonium and supplied only with Uranium from the US. This reactor is no longer operational.

Sort of. Iran built secret uranium enrichement facilities (clearly against the NPT), concealed them from the IAEA, then the IAEA found out (probably from an Iranian insider). Oops.

I think that pretty much goes both ways.

Nope. Absolutely not. Iran signed a contract for the Germans to build the Busheir reactor. At the time of the Revolution, the Germans stopped building the reactor and the French refused to supply uranium.

Later, the Iranians contracted with the Russians to build one of their design inside the containment dome started by the Germans. I believe that Busheir one is now operating intermittently but there is now a problem with the uranium supply as the Russians insisted they supply the uranium fuel and take all the spent fuel back to Russia as a security precaution.

I would say taking over an embassy and keeping the diplomatic personal hostage for more than 1 1/2 yrs is a bit more than an "argument". The French and the Germans, who were the planned suppliers to Busheir backed out. They too could see the crazy writing on the wall. Even the Russians, who walk around London putting Polonium in people's tea, have decided the mullahs are a little kooky. Real shame about Hussein, though, the good, they die young.

Well, it seems you hate every US government going back 50 years, Democrat, Republican, liberal, conservative. Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Carter (he suspended all trade with Iran), certainly Reagan and most definitely Bush. In fact, you hate such a broad array of US governments, one might deduce that what you really hate is the US itself.

BTW, the whole idea of the NPT is to permit nuclear power plants in signatory nations in exchange for lifetime inspection to prevent diversion of spent fuel for weapons. That is what "Non-Prolferation" means. If every nation could simply expunge their NPT treaty obligations willy nilly then it wouldn't work very well would it?

Israel did not ask permission. Neither did Pakistan or India, BTW.

I am not sure about this but quite possibly a formal state of war still existed between Iraq and Israel at the time. Iraqi tank units attacked Israel in the Yom Kippur war and I dont think there was ever a formal peace treaty as with Egypt.

And, yes, Israel desires that Arab states which have tried to erase it from the map a few times not have nukes. That is called national defence. Like I said, you want to take away their nukes, you are free to try. I couldn't care less. Just leave me out of it. Good luck to you. You will need it.

Wow...I just realized I have a negative reputation. That hurts. That hurts real bad.

Israel is now the world's fourth largest weapons exporter and make far more of their own kit than most other countries. But never let the facts get in the way of a good argument, hmm?