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Default Re: How Dare You Not Love Ataturk? - 06-24-2008

I didnt want To say Anything But I just Say it , first Of all Sister Al-Zaara Did You Just Say Goodlooking , Oke
Second Of All I am Totally Against This Man , he has Changed The Beautiful Country Turkey In to An Nationalistic Secular System And Brainwashed Millions Of people With his Speech Including The Military .
And That They Changed Arabic To Latin Alphabet And That We Cant Read The Qu'ran because of that Proves Alot.
anyway I hope That Turkey changes to What it Was; The Ottoman Empire Insha'Allah
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Default Re: How Dare You Not Love Ataturk? - 06-24-2008

Guven, Ataturk isnt my favourite hero,also Turkey doesnt stick in my mind for 24 hours per day, but we shouldnt forget that he didnt destroy Ottoman Empire. At the start of XX century that empire was in miserable state, loosing every war, and risking the becoming a puppet in the hands of western powers. The destruction of Ottoman Empire didnt begin with Ataturk's born but it started long ago in XVIII century. Since then Turkey was called an "Ill man of Europe".
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Guven, Ataturk isnt my favourite hero,also Turkey doesnt stick in my mind for 24 hours per day, but we shouldnt forget that he didnt destroy Ottoman Empire. At the start of XX century that empire was in miserable state, loosing every war, and risking the becoming a puppet in the hands of western powers. The destruction of Ottoman Empire didnt begin with Ataturk's born but it started long ago in XVIII century. Since then Turkey was called an "Ill man of Europe".
It Was also Nationalism That Destroyed The Ottomans From The Inside And With Him The Nationalism In Turkey Is Complete , He Couldve Handled Differently
And People Admire and Worship Him , I cant Accept That
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Did the nationalism also caused Turkey's technological,scientifical. cultural and military backwardness in comparission to Europe these times?
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It sure did.. once they have let go of Islam, they have let go of their compulsion to seek knowledge.. for it is one of the pillars they have let go of along like moral decency!

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How come The Ottoman Empire were So Succesful In the Early Days ??
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It sure did.. once they have let go of Islam, they have let go of their compulsion to seek knowledge.. for it is one of the pillars they have let go of along like moral decency!

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Its ironic because before nationalists came up to power, there was only religious schools in Ottoman Turkey. No enginery schools,no technical schools, no modern military schools.
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Maybe their enemies were so weak.
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Its ironic because before nationalists came up to power, there was only religious schools in Ottoman Turkey. No enginery schools,no technical schools, no modern military schools.
There is no irony at all.. the latter half of the ottomans were a great corrupt individuals, unlike all the empires that preceded, they have left many great states beneath them a complete prey to the brits/french etc including thesmelves.... I don't want to get into a deep history lesson here.. but you need to know that there was a time when even the brilliant peter the great had to retreat to the ottomans, if you know anything about cities he built and his conquests you'd have to concede that he was in over his head with the ottomans...

I can't blame everything on kamal ataturk singularly but he certainly made corruption from within more obvious.. and now we have lost turkey.. but we are to gain it back with two words insha'Allah as per prophecy.. you can say all that is set in motion is very expected..

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If you think peter the great were weak.. you'll need a brush up course on his own private conquests

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I was rather talking about older times, in XV, XVI century. Balkan countries were a few but small and powerless after Bizantium collapse.
Besides, I know that you will gain it back. At least everything is showing that. This is too strong culture to be so easily replaced or wiped off. I am aware of this.Until Ottoman Empire come again at the borders of my country I dont care about it honestly.
Somewhere I read that faith pushed to catacombs doesnt die but savages(didnt it happen already in USA?Who knows). Thats why secularists loose at the end at last.
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I was rather talking about older times, in XV, XVI century. Balkan countries were a few but small and powerless after Bizantium collapse.
Besides, I know that you will gain it back. At least everything is showing that. This is too strong culture to be so easily replaced or wiped off. I am aware of this.Until Ottoman Empire come again at the borders of my country I dont care about it honestly.
Somewhere I read that faith pushed to catacombs doesnt die but savages(didnt it happen already in USA?Who knows). Thats why secularists loose at the end at last.
Why aren't you Muslim?
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I was rather talking about older times, in XV, XVI century. Balkan countries were a few but small and powerless after Bizantium collapse.
Besides, I know that you will gain it back. At least everythi