lol ,They Wanted People To freely practis their religion In Public Places and thats The oNly religious Act That They Did (I think )

Is it true that AK Party is supported by Christian minorities?

I dont think so it might be but i would be very suprised ...

Who knows. Many people voted for them because they finished with corruption and they have very good influence on economics.

They might be banned from politics for 5 years if found guilty..

hahaha..this is just the thread for me..

ive got all ur answers tucked away neatly in me...

its a good thing im so not in the mood right now..

but:

i dont love ataturk...not coz i disrespect him..i dont love him coz i dont love anyone ive never met..he is dead...

i dont believe that i am alive today due to the efforts of this man. i am alive coz millions of soldiers and civilians died to protect my people...we all know how modern warfare works..well i do..i study it everyday..the comrades and the colonels sit in the settle stations and yell out orders using technology...its the lil men who were crawling in the trenches..

ok..noone but the turks in here will get that bit.probably.

as for secularism...ataturk...

i dislike this man who i am unwillingly bound to becoz he was not a lover of peace. he hurt civilians. he killed men and women. he denied them the right to practice their religion and culture freely. in a matter of 24hours, he wiped out the ottoman language, dress, religious practice..imaams were killed. women in head scarves were killed. the adhan was translated and screeched thru every minaret of every mosque..five times a day..i dno if u can find an english article..but look up 'iskilipli atif hoca' and all he went thru coz he refused to take his islamic head gear off and replace it with the western hats..lol..they had dress codes for gods sake..

he transformed my country into a living fancy dress party. euro-theme..the more french, the more hat-tips you got. the literate were illiterate all of a sudden..and the best dressed channelled thru the acedemic world..and turkey is what it is today...

cultural genocide no?

i like this man coz he managed to, quite inapropriately, urge my people into the western world...1922..turkey became a secular "b-word". all the above was played out under the banner of secularism.has anyone ever heard or seen secularism being implemented the way turkey did and does? please..its funny...but either way..in hindsight...(and im sure ive said this somewhere else round here), turkey is the only 'muslim' country, with the adhan still intact, which actually has the potential to make a move in all agendas of globalisation...

turks are taught to ignore the bad which happened,and indulge in the mythical image of a great worrior. i respect his efforts..good try mate..but u were and still remain a hazzard to the exitence of justice, equality and the right to free speech and expression of self.

why do i keep killing world affairs threads..i think i shud just keep away..

Thread revived...

I don't think the father of Turks is Ataturk, it was Bumin Khan...

Sevgi, do you live in Turkey presently or elsewhere? I was curious about whether it is true that one cannot get YouTube in Turkey right now? My daughter lives in Turkey and last I knew she had no problem getting access to YouTube, but it's also not been something high on our agenda of things to talk about when to talk either.

bumin khan..? no no..

i'll kiss the forehead of the person who can deduce who the father of turks is...

but i wud like to think it was salah-al diin..who knows.


hey..nope i dont live in turkey..

but yes, there is a youtube ban..something abt ataturk i think..im sure there is a ban..i just cant remember why exactly it was

urggh enuf with the messages...yes salah al din..yes the kurd..yes the urggh..


i guess i know too much for my own good.i can make connections in my mind..im sorry...

i take it back...

now i have an alternative idea for my research..thanks..lol.

You have the same toughts as Me Sevgi
And The Father of the Turks İs a Diffucult Question Maybe Kanuni Sultan Süleyman(I Süleyman ) or Maybe Salah al-diin indeed

He was the person who established the Gokturk Empire, the first truely Turkish empire. He overthrew the Rouran Khaganate and then built a huge steppe empire the size of Russia, stretching from the Crimea to Manchuria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumin_Khan

Acording to a story Turk was the name of a son of Yafeth, the third son of the Prophet Nuh who settled around the north of Khazar sea after the flood.So he was the father of the turks...maybe

But I just want to say that sevgi has a wrong concept about Atatürk.

hey..the father of turkey or turks is a whole thread on its own..so lets stay on topic..

and..it is wrong to say that my beliefs and thoughts are wrong...they are mine..and as long as i do not urge them upon others, im fine..

u and i just have diferent views..probably coz u are from turkey...

guven agrees with me..and he is from holland..we have a very unbiased approach to the concept of Ataturk..but i wud never imagine saying that you are 'wrong'...its just ur opinion..

Allaha emanet.