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Default Re: Milan mosque 'to be closed down' - 07-18-2008

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muslims pray 5x a day.. you think its okay to charge each time they go to the stadium which oh by the way will only be available for four days. :s they can just get thier idea print it off twist it side ways, fold it in half, scrunch it up, rip it into small pieces, set alight the little pieces and then sweep up the ashes...... before finally blowing the ashes into the wildernesh (wilderness)

quite frankly the solution offered sucks and is not practical... just refer back to amirsaabs beautiful hyperthetical situation.
The point is that the mosque is too small for all people wanting to pray so some of them go out on the streets. The muslim community didn't do anything to prevent that so the government is offering them a temporary solution until they build a new mosque or something. They can't give them the stadium for free naturally, so it's normal they be charged, leasing the stadium seems a better solution that entrance fees though. the 4-day limit is understandable, a stadium is a stadium, you can't expect it to be available for Muslims 24/7.
   
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Alternatively, they could just pray on the streets or grassland etc. But then you'd get mad farmers and oaps in general saying ''get off my land....arrr!'' Leading us into circles: closs down the mosque, don't pray on the streets. Wow, terrific options there!

To be honest, it comes down to the community not liking muslims and Islam (you could tell them this to their face and they'll deny it every time but everyone knows it - it's staring you in the face!)

Well, that's milan crossed off the holiday list.
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Alternatively, they could just pray on the streets or grassland etc. But then you'd get mad farmers and oaps in general saying ''get off my land....arrr!'' Leading us into circles: closs down the mosque, don't pray on the streets. Wow, terrific options there!

You would also get cows trying to gun them down if they prayed on the grassland...


Anyway, if, as Whatsthepoint said, the reason for the closure was because people had to pray on the streets and the Mosque didn't do anything about it, then why didn't they do anything about it? I suspect that if they had tried to get an extension or something, the Lega Nord people would stop them from buying it.

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Anyway, if, as Whatsthepoint said, the reason for the closure was because people had to pray on the streets and the Mosque didn't do anything about it, then why didn't they do anything about it? I suspect that if they had tried to get an extension or something, the Lega Nord people would stop them from buying it.

I suspect the actual reason has nothing to do with people praying in the streets, however they can't shut down a mosque just like that..
It's true though that building or upgrading a mosque is a tough job in continental Europe, let alone Italy.
   
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*shrug*

Rome will one day be in the hands of the muslims its inevitable. Our prophet told us that constantinople (turkey) and rome would both be the muslims. Turkey is already a muslim land... its only a matter of time before rome too will be a muslim city.
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Rome will one day be in the hands of the muslims its inevitable. Our prophet told us that constantinople (turkey) and rome would both be the muslims. Turkey is already a muslim land... its only a matter of time before rome too will be a muslim city.
And now you have the answer why more and more europeans dont want mosques in their backyards.
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And now you have the answer why more and more europeans dont want mosques in their backyards.
weh weh weh

im just stating a prophecy that WILL be fulfilled whether you or i or any other guy for the fact of the matter likes it or not.
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Brothers and Sisters,

This is simply just an excuse to force Muslims out of the region. They can package it any way they want, but the fact of the matters is that Italy had been leading this charge against Muslims for hte past 5 years. Oh, well! they are asking for it....
   
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Great, so muslims have a prayer tax.
Don't non-muslims have to pay tax too in Islamic countries? Jizya or something? Can't complain when it's happening to you dude.
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Rome will one day be in the hands of the muslims its inevitable. Our prophet told us that constantinople (turkey) and rome would both be the muslims. Turkey is already a muslim land... its only a matter of time before rome too will be a muslim city.
I'd like to read this verse, do you have it? Any mention of how they'd do it?
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I'd like to read this verse, do you have it? Any mention of how they'd do it?
if i was able to produce and show it now, would it bring you closer to the faith, understanding and love of islam?

if not then im not gonna tire to look for it.

http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=226

also a few more narrations of what will happen towards the end of time...

http://islamworld.net/docs/hour/Four.txt

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if i was able to produce and show it now, would it bring you closer to the faith, understanding and love of islam?

if not then im not gonna tire to look for it.

http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=226

also a few more narrations of what will happen towards the end of time...

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Is it referring to the Roman Empire or the city of Rome?

Also, although today we call it the 'Byzantine Empire', at the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) nobody used this name, both halves of the Empire were called 'Rome', even though the original Roman Empire was destroyed in 476 AD, hundreds of years before Hijrah.
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Don't non-muslims have to pay tax too in Islamic countries? Jizya or something? Can't complain when it's happening to you dude.
Yes, they do have to pay jizya tax. However, jizya is not a tax for praying to God. Basically, there are 4 taxes to pay in an islamic state: jizya, zakat, 'ushr and sadaqah. Non-muslims only have to pay the one tax; jizya (which goes to fund the military that protects the state and them!) so it's cheaper for non muslims to live in an islamic state. If anything, non-muslims are better off practicing their religion in an islamic state since it is the state's (and all the muslims in it) duty to protect those places of worship and those people.
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