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Default Re: Milan mosque 'to be closed down' - 07-18-2008

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Non-muslims only have to pay the one tax; jizya (which goes to fund the military that protects the state and them!)
Indeed. Non-Muslims are exempt from military service in an Islamic state, so that is their contribution towards the defence of the country.
   
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Come one, no one's taxing anyone, they'll have to pay for the stadium, that's all.
   
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Is it referring to the Roman Empire or the city of Rome?

Also, although today we call it the 'Byzantine Empire', at the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) nobody used this name, both halves of the Empire were called 'Rome', even though the original Roman Empire was destroyed in 476 AD, hundreds of years before Hijrah.
True, the word Byzantine wasn't used until the 16th century by historians. It was called the Eastern Roman Empire. The root of Orthodoxy and a major influence on Russia. But that is a different story.
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Indeed. Non-Muslims are exempt from military service in an Islamic state, so that is their contribution towards the defence of the country.
Unless you have a draft or mandatory military service that is pretty much the story in the U.S. Everyone is exempt from military service, they just have to pay taxes to support it.
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Default Re: Milan mosque 'to be closed down' - 07-18-2008

I just wonder how big is the Jizzyah tax. Maybe its much bigger than all the muslim taxes?
Anyway non muslims still cant be in political powers thr right? So they cant have influence whats hapenning in also their country(state).
Anyway non muslims in islamic Italy wouldnt be able to change the poltical system, just like in totalitarian system. So its sux for them no matter how you try to show it.
Besides its offtopic.
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Unless you have a draft or mandatory military service that is pretty much the story in the U.S. Everyone is exempt from military service, they just have to pay taxes to support it.
Cool. Although I'm not sure, I'm guessing that military service would be obligatory on Muslim men in an Islamic state. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.
   
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I just wonder how big is the Jizzyah tax. Maybe its much bigger than all the muslim taxes?
As far as I'm aware, it's smaller than the Zakat. Again, somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.
   
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Cool. Although I'm not sure, I'm guessing that military service would be obligatory on Muslim men in an Islamic state. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

I heard somebody say somewhere that an Islamic state doesn't have the right to force people into the millitary. But I can't remember when I read it.
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Come one, no one's taxing anyone, they'll have to pay for the stadium, that's all.
Indeed. My post was making a mockery out of the system: it's forcing muslims to pay to pray (close down the mosque but you can use this stadium...if you pay up)

Aaron, I'll cover the Islamic state and rulings on it at a later date - it will cover that point about jizya tax.
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Indeed. My post was making a mockery out of the system: it's forcing muslims to pay to pray (close down the mosque but you can use this stadium...if you pay up)
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It's not like that at all.
And how is it then? Please enlighten us.
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And how is it then? Please enlighten us.
As I said before, the mosque is to small, people are praying in the streets, which is a major safety concern. Unless the mosque does something to prevent people form praying outside, it has to be shut down (or the prayers ticketed). The government has offered the Muslim community a temporary solution, that is the use of the stadium, until they've built a new mosque or upgraded the old one, if that is possible.
You can't expect the city authorities to lease the stadium for free, after all it is the nuslim community that failed provide sufficient premises for all of its followers.
   
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As I said before, the mosque is to small, people are praying in the streets, which is a major safety concern. Unless the mosque does something to prevent people form praying outside, it has to be shut down (or the prayers ticketed). The government has offered the Muslim community a temporary solution, that is the use of the stadium, until they've built a new mosque or upgraded the old one, if that is possible.
You can't expect the city authorities to lease the stadium for free, after all it is the nuslim community that failed provide sufficient premises for all of its followers.

But to do anything to stop people praying on the streets, it has to either expand, which the Lega Nord wouldn't allow, or stop people praying there, which is what the Lega Nord wants to do anyway. So basically, the Lega Nord wants to shut down the Mosque because they are bigots, not road saftey activists.
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But to do anything to stop people praying on the streets, it has to either expand, which the Lega Nord wouldn't allow, or stop people praying there, which is what the Lega Nord wants to do anyway. So basically, the Lega Nord wants to shut down the Mosque because they are bigots, not road saftey activists.
That's probably true, but legally speaking they've done nothing wrong.
Are you sure the League won't allow the mosque to be upgraded? Do they even have the authority for that? Perhaps the building can't be upgraded, after all it is based in a garage of some sort.
   
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That's probably true, but legally speaking they've done nothing wrong.
Are you sure the League won't allow the mosque to be upgraded? Do they even have the authority for that? Perhaps the building can't be upgraded, after all it is based in a garage of some sort.

Yeah, legally speaking they haven't done anything wrong, and don't need to, as they are in power and can make the law...

I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't do that, given how the local populace is already annoyed that the Mosque has expanded before.
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