LI Islamic Forum  
 
Powered by: MuslimPages
Add your business
 


Notices
World Affairs Discuss here about the state of the world and the state of the Ummah.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old
  (#46 (permalink))
Al-Zaara
Hanafi
 
Al-Zaara's Avatar
 
Status: Online
Posts: 3,810
Reputation: 36950
Rep Power: 66
Al-Zaara has a reputation beyond reputeAl-Zaara has a reputation beyond reputeAl-Zaara has a reputation beyond reputeAl-Zaara has a reputation beyond reputeAl-Zaara has a reputation beyond reputeAl-Zaara has a reputation beyond reputeAl-Zaara has a reputation beyond reputeAl-Zaara has a reputation beyond reputeAl-Zaara has a reputation beyond reputeAl-Zaara has a reputation beyond reputeAl-Zaara has a reputation beyond repute
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Finland
Gender:Sister In Humanity
Way of Life: Muslim
Default Re: Milan mosque 'to be closed down' - 07-18-2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
As I said before, the mosque is to small, people are praying in the streets, which is a major safety concern. Unless the mosque does something to prevent people form praying outside, it has to be shut down (or the prayers ticketed). The government has offered the Muslim community a temporary solution, that is the use of the stadium, until they've built a new mosque or upgraded the old one, if that is possible.
You can't expect the city authorities to lease the stadium for free, after all it is the nuslim community that failed provide sufficient premises for all of its followers.
But this is the problem I see. Why shut the whole mosque down? Can't they hire a few other locations at the same time as the mosque is open, in which the Muslims could help pay (the rent) together, instead of taking a ticket for every single Muslim wanting to go to pray and at the same time for only a limited amount of time? Take a rent for the time given to pray from the Muslim community, instead of each individual?

I know the money given would be almost the same in all those cases, but the situation is seen through a whole different light when it's many people paying together one thing (rent) instead of every man for himself, making it seem as if they are wanted to stop to pray altogether.

I hope I make sense.
__________________
Standing in the middle of a tornado,
feeling serenity inside of me.

Around me there's chaos
,
Yet I remain at peace.


   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#47 (permalink))
Whatsthepoint
Agnostic revert
 
Whatsthepoint's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,900
Reputation: 5527
Rep Power: 14
Whatsthepoint has a reputation beyond reputeWhatsthepoint has a reputation beyond reputeWhatsthepoint has a reputation beyond reputeWhatsthepoint has a reputation beyond reputeWhatsthepoint has a reputation beyond reputeWhatsthepoint has a reputation beyond reputeWhatsthepoint has a reputation beyond reputeWhatsthepoint has a reputation beyond reputeWhatsthepoint has a reputation beyond reputeWhatsthepoint has a reputation beyond reputeWhatsthepoint has a reputation beyond repute
Join Date: Oct 2007
Gender:Brother In Humanity
Way of Life: Agnostic
Default Re: Milan mosque 'to be closed down' - 07-18-2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Al-Zaara View Post
But this is the problem I see. Why shut the whole mosque down? Can't they hire a few other locations at the same time as the mosque is open, in which the Muslims could help pay (the rent) together, instead of taking a ticket for every single Muslim wanting to go to pray and at the same time for only a limited amount of time? Take a rent for the time given to pray from the Muslim community, instead of each individual?

I know the money given would be almost the same in all those cases, but the situation is seen through a whole different light when it's many people paying together one thing (rent) instead of every man for himself, making it seem as if they are wanted to stop to pray altogether.

I hope I make sense.
Yes, you make perfect sense, I think we can all agree that the league aren't exactly road safety activists as Fishman put it.
But I guess there are reasons why shut the whole mosque down, if it remains open, people will still prefer to pray there than in a stadium which might result in people praying in the street and this is what the league says they are trying to prevent.
Yeah, I said before leasing the stadium would be a much better solution. So far nothing is definite, there's only suggestions and political talk, the end agreement will probably be much different.

Last edited by Whatsthepoint; 07-18-2008 at 09:06 PM.
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#48 (permalink))
Aaron85
LI Oldskool
 
Aaron85's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,552
Reputation: 2666
Rep Power: 14
Aaron85 has a reputation beyond reputeAaron85 has a reputation beyond reputeAaron85 has a reputation beyond reputeAaron85 has a reputation beyond reputeAaron85 has a reputation beyond reputeAaron85 has a reputation beyond reputeAaron85 has a reputation beyond reputeAaron85 has a reputation beyond reputeAaron85 has a reputation beyond reputeAaron85 has a reputation beyond reputeAaron85 has a reputation beyond repute
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: From Mars...To Sirius.
Gender:Brother In Humanity
Way of Life: Christian
Default Re: Milan mosque 'to be closed down' - 07-18-2008

In current Der Spiegel (german magazine) there is very good article about building new mosques in Europe.
The article points out that there is a difference between a mosque and a mega mosque.
A mega mosque has islamic kindergarten, islamic school, islamic restaurant, small islamic hospital, islamic bank,an islamic field for playing games, an islamic cinema.
All things made so that Arabs, Pakistanis or Turks remain isolated from the european societies. With all these things they wouldnt even have to try to learn the language.
And since we all agree that islam is not just a religion but also a political system and law, so allowing to build such mega mosques is simply creating islamic enclaves in the middle of Europe.
On the other hand muslims know that such behaviour is dangerous. They are wise indeed. Only Indonesia has closed few dozens churches in last year.
__________________
Right from the beginning.
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#49 (permalink))
Fishman
Glorious Qaghan
 
Fishman's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 3,281
Reputation: 13355
Rep Power: 35
Fishman has a reputation beyond reputeFishman has a reputation beyond reputeFishman has a reputation beyond reputeFishman has a reputation beyond reputeFishman has a reputation beyond reputeFishman has a reputation beyond reputeFishman has a reputation beyond reputeFishman has a reputation beyond reputeFishman has a reputation beyond reputeFishman has a reputation beyond reputeFishman has a reputation beyond repute
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Airstrip One.
Gender:Brother In Islam
Way of Life: Muslim
Post Re: Milan mosque 'to be closed down' - 07-18-2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron85 View Post
In current Der Spiegel (german magazine) there is very good article about building new mosques in Europe.
The article points out that there is a difference between a mosque and a mega mosque.
A mega mosque has islamic kindergarten, islamic school, islamic restaurant, small islamic hospital, islamic bank,an islamic field for playing games, an islamic cinema.

Nope, a 'Mega-Mosque' is just something tabloids invent when they want to scare people. It's taken from the word 'mega church', used to refer to massive and (often politicised) churches that are found in America.

Of the things on your list:
  • most Mosques (mega or otherwise) include some kind of Islamic school or 'kindergarten', but this does not usually replace secular education.
  • Some large Mosques have fields or places to play sports in, which is meant to be a good thing as it discourages obesity.
  • Some Mosques have a kitchen, which is used to keep or prepare food to be eaten on special occasions. These are from my experience messy places containing packets of old biscuits and flat coke.
  • Given that worldly talk is forbidden in Mosques, Islamic banks are not often found there, I think putting banks in a Mosque is like how the Jews put a marketplace in the Temple of Jerusalem before Jesus (pbuh) smashed it.
  • There are no such things as Islamic hospitals and Islamic cinemas, and if they do exist it is probably just a marketing ploy. They certainly don't exist in Mosques.
__________________
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#50 (permalink))
highlander
Limited Member
 
highlander's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 32
Reputation: 242
Rep Power: 0
highlander has a spectacular aura abouthighlander has a spectacular aura abouthighlander has a spectacular aura about
Join Date: Jul 2008
Way of Life: Undisclosed
Default Re: Milan mosque 'to be closed down' - 07-18-2008

It really breaks my heart to see such controversy over a worship place. I hope there will be a way to solve this without creating even a bigger gap between the western society and ways and muslim ways
.
As someone said before, maybe it would be possible to rent some place so that people dont pray on the streets.

It would be also good for the worshippers since Italy is not a warm climate( weather wise) all along the year and maybe it would be quite uncomfortable for people to pray in the rain/mud etc or simply in the cold.
   
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.0.0
vBulletin Skin developed by: vBStyles.com

Page generated in 0.16498 seconds with 10 queries