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Default Woman wearing veil told to leave Italian museum - 08-29-2008

These people should be told leave when they show up half-naked in our lands.


Woman wearing veil told to leave Italian museum

By Philip Pullella
Wed Aug 27


The head of one of Venice's most prestigious museums apologized on Wednesday to a Muslim woman asked to leave the building by a guard because she was wearing a veil over her face.

The episode, which has kindled controversy in the Italian media and arguments between centre-left and centre-right politicians, occurred on Sunday in Venice's Ca' Rezzonico museum, which houses 18th-century Venetian art.

"I'm sorry for what happened and if she ever wants to return to our museum, she will be more than welcome," director Filippo Pedrocco told Reuters by telephone from Venice.

The woman, visiting the museum with her husband and children, had cleared security when she entered the building.

When she reached the second floor, a room guard told her she must remove her "niqab," which leaves only the eyes visible, or leave.
"The room guard was over-zealous. He should not have done it. She already passed security and his only duty was to guarantee the safety of the artwork in his room," Pedrocco said.

The woman was believed to have been a member of a well-off family visiting Venice from Saudi Arabia or a Gulf state.

She refused to take off the veil and left the building, which faces Venice's Grand Canal and houses works by such 18th century Venetian masters as Giandomenico Tiepolo.

Italian anti-terrorism laws dating from the 1970s ban the wearing of face coverings in public but they are rarely enforced in cases of Islamic veils.
Italian media reported that the guard, who Pedrocco said worked part-time and was employed by an outside security firm, would be disciplined and risked being fired.

However, the guard, whose name was not disclosed, was hailed as a hero by some in the Veneto region, where there has been tension between long-time residents and Islamic immigrants.

Senator Roberto Castelli, a member of the anti-immigrant Northern League, asked the justice minister to make sure the guard was not disciplined or sacked "for doing his duty and making sure the law was respected."
Giancarlo Gentilini, deputy mayor of the city of Treviso north of Venice, said the guard should be "given an award and not punished."


(Editing by Andrew Dobbie)

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yet were so tolerant and let them walk half naked in most of our countries, what a shame, its time we force all of them to wear hijabs like in Saudia and Iran.
   
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yet were so tolerant and let them walk half naked in most of our countries, what a shame, its time we force all of them to wear hijabs like in Saudia and Iran.
I agree with the first part ofyour statement. But forcing someone to wear Hijab isn't the answer education is. If people understand why we wear Hijab they are more likely to accept it
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I agree with the first part ofyour statement. But forcing someone to wear Hijab isn't the answer education is. If people understand why we wear Hijab they are more likely to accept it
i agree with you, but you know its nice to start being abit rough and forcing none-Muslims to comply with our ways, even if they dont agree with it.
   
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You can't make good Da'wah that way
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But she passed through security safely so obviously not a threat like anyone else there. I wonder why they did that then.
   
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But she passed through security safely so obviously not a threat like anyone else there. I wonder why they did that then.
I guess the guard was just too trigger happy with the little responsibility he had.. The reactions of the rest of the community aren't too positive though...
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i agree with you, but you know its nice to start being abit rough and forcing none-Muslims to comply with our ways, even if they dont agree with it.

I'm afraid that's not the way the Prophet went about it.

And, it is by the mercy of Allah that you were gentle with them (O beloved Prophet), for if you had been stern and fierce of heart they would have dispersed from around about you. So pardon them and ask forgiveness for them and consult with them upon the conduct of affairs. And when you are resolved, then put your trust in Allah. Surely, Allah loves those who trust.
   
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NO NO NO NO
Don't apologize, she shouldn't be covering her face in the first place.
Flipping hell, what dont there women cover there face understand about security? Cover your head that fine but not the face.
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NO NO NO NO
Don't apologize, she shouldn't be covering her face in the first place.
Flipping hell, what dont there women cover there face understand about security? Cover your head that fine but not the face.
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If a sister wishes to cover her face, encourage her May Allah reward her for her efforts, Ameen
no in meckka its not allowed. WHy should i/we accept it? Its such a big issue in the UK, seriously i mean its not required in Islamic, you mento cover your head yeah? so why do the face, it really annoys me
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seriously i mean its not required in Islamic,
Actually difference of opinion bro It makes sense to cover the face but in today's society it is very very very hard. I admire sisters who do so
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how nice of you

and whats wrong with covering the face

and if it annoys you then thats too bad. Whether you like it or not it does have islamic relevance, at the least it is mustahab and most its waajib.
So whilst you may not personally like it dont you dare degrade those women who choose to wear it.
   
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how nice of you

and whats wrong with covering the face

and if it annoys you then thats too bad. Whether you like it or not it does have islamic relevance, at the least it is mustahab and most its waajib.
So whilst you may not personally like it dont you dare degrade those women who choose to wear it.
No its not isalmic, because its mekka its not allowed. Their just making a bad name for muslims.
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Actually difference of opinion bro It makes sense to cover the face but in today's society it is very very very hard. I admire sisters who do so
Well lets just say in ur opion u fink its isalmic, then why isint it alloowed in mekka?
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