Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! - Page 2

Aaron85 · **Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! -** 10-10-2008

Still many muslims see China as friend of the muslim world.

north_malaysian · **Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! -** 10-11-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron85

Still many muslims see China as friend of the muslim world.

There are thousands of Huis in Malaysia and they say good thing about China....i think the Hui community is the bridge of a friendly friendship between China and the Muslim world.

The Khan · **Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! -** 10-12-2008

The Hui community is not mistreated, nor are the other small Muslim minorities. It is only the Uyghurs who suffer due to the underground separatist movement.

north_malaysian · **Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! -** 10-13-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Khan

The Hui community is not mistreated, nor are the other small Muslim minorities. It is only the Uyghurs who suffer due to the underground separatist movement.

So, Islam is not the reason for the persecution...

alcurad · **Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! -** 10-13-2008

rather it is in part, for Islam is not just praying five times and fasting.

The Khan · 04:53 AM

The Chinese government wishes to control all religions, and will not stop at it. Islam is no exception.

Quote:

Originally Posted by north_malaysian

So, Islam is not the reason for the persecution...

Not really. It's mainly about ethnicity. For example, when the Hui and a majority of the Miao tribes revolted against the Manchu Qing dynasty, 12 million Hui (there are 9 million today) were exterminated, as well as 5 million Miao (12 million existing today). The Miao are mainly Shamanist and Buddhist, with a few Christians. If you have noticed, prior to the advent of the Maoists, the Chinese were highly tolerant when it came to religion. Most are syncretic.

Of course, The Maoists don't want any new religions such as Falun Gong popping up. Erasing religions was impossible during the cultural movement, so they've decided to prevent new religions which might be a threat. Falun Gong is considered a threat due to their adherents allegience to Mr Lee rather than the state. The atheist government will do whatever it takes to discourage and control religion.

north_malaysian · **Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! -** 10-13-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Khan

The Chinese government wishes to control all religions, and will not stop at it. Islam is no exception.

Not really. It's mainly about ethnicity. For example, when the Hui and a majority of the Miao tribes revolted against the Manchu Qing dynasty, 12 million Hui (there are 9 million today) were exterminated, as well as 5 million Miao (12 million existing today). The Miao are mainly Shamanist and Buddhist, with a few Christians. If you have noticed, prior to the advent of the Maoists, the Chinese were highly tolerant when it came to religion. Most are syncretic.

Of course, The Maoists don't want any new religions such as Falun Gong popping up. Erasing religions was impossible during the cultural movement, so they've decided to prevent new religions which might be a threat. Falun Gong is considered a threat due to their adherents allegience to Mr Lee rather than the state. The atheist government will do whatever it takes to discourage and control religion.

I think, for the Communist government....as long as the religious group doesnt cause a threat to the government...it's ok....

I've heard that the Catholics are not allowed to have Pope as their leaders, because the Pope is not a Chinese, let alone the leader of China's Communist Party.... Thus there is Chinese Catholicism there replacing the actual church...

The Khan · **Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! -** 10-13-2008

Well, the disagreement is over the appointment of the archbishop. The Maoists have appointed one who's loyal to them, while the Pope has appointed one who's loyal to him.

Trumble · 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Khan

Of course, The Maoists don't want any new religions such as Falun Gong popping up. Erasing religions was impossible during the cultural movement, so they've decided to prevent new religions which might be a threat. Falun Gong is considered a threat due to their adherents allegience to Mr Lee rather than the state. The atheist government will do whatever it takes to discourage and control religion.

That's a pretty good assessment, although I suspect Mao would be turning in his grave to hear the present regime described as 'Maoist'!

I'm not sure the 'atheist' part is really that relevant, though. It's just a matter of restricting who has any sort of control, direct or indirect, over the people. As you point out, they don't have to ban religion if they can control it; indeed the latter is the more effective option. Hence the 'official' fake Panchen Lama (and no doubt Dalai Lama once the present one dies), 'official' fake archbishop, and so on. It's a farce, but the rest of the world is too worried about upsetting the Chinese to do anything about it.

**aamirsaab** · **Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! -** 10-13-2008

So, realistically speaking, is there anything we can do to stop this?

The Khan · **Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! -** 10-13-2008

Jihad!

It's China you're dealing with. What else can you do?

barney · **Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! -** 10-13-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Khan

Jihad!

It's China you're dealing with. What else can you do?

And yet you are facing a regime that
1) Has Nukes. Lots of Nukes
2) Will happily massacre millions of their OWN people. At the drop of a hat.
Think of this as hyperbole if you wish. Its historical fact. The graves are there, the people who lived through this are alive. Talk to them if you doubt it.
China, put simply will turn any and all islamic countries who it even thinks of as a threat to it into a large pool of melted irradiated glass at the first oppotunity.
The leadership is neither sane, logical or restrained. Push them with a "Jihad" and threaten their soverigty and they will respond with stupid amounts of overkill. China is not America who will wring hands at every mistaken death and crawl about abasing itself at its faults.
Its a utterly different kettle of fish. Millions upon millions of martyers await a misunderstanding of China.

The Khan · **Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! -** 10-13-2008

I wasn't being serious.

I'm sure half or one century from now China will undergo a major revolution. Maybe even longer. But it will occur, it's inevitable.

We got hammered by China during our war with them during the early 60's, btw.

north_malaysian · **Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! -** 10-14-2008

send lots of Muslim missionaries to China....

The Khan · **Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! -** 10-14-2008

Haha, lol, good idea Akhee

	(#16 (permalink))
Aaron85 LI Oldskool Status: Offline Posts: 1,625 Reputation: 2935 Rep Power: 15 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: From Mars...To Sirius. Gender: Way of Life: Christian	Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! - 10-10-2008 Still many muslims see China as friend of the muslim world. __________________ Right from the beginning.

	(#18 (permalink))
The Khan Free Thinker Status: Offline Posts: 456 Reputation: 1774 Rep Power: 4 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Royal State of Hyderabad Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! - 10-12-2008 The Hui community is not mistreated, nor are the other small Muslim minorities. It is only the Uyghurs who suffer due to the underground separatist movement.

	(#20 (permalink))
alcurad LI Oldtimer Status: Offline Posts: 508 Reputation: 3447 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Indiana, US Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! - 10-13-2008 rather it is in part, for Islam is not just praying five times and fasting. __________________ كفي بك داءا أن ترى الموت شافيا *** وحسب المنايا أن يكن أمانيا

	(#23 (permalink))
The Khan Free Thinker Status: Offline Posts: 456 Reputation: 1774 Rep Power: 4 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Royal State of Hyderabad Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! - 10-13-2008 Well, the disagreement is over the appointment of the archbishop. The Maoists have appointed one who's loyal to them, while the Pope has appointed one who's loyal to him. __________________ Faith not supported by reason and empirical evidence is wishful thinking. All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

	(#26 (permalink))
The Khan Free Thinker Status: Offline Posts: 456 Reputation: 1774 Rep Power: 4 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Royal State of Hyderabad Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! - 10-13-2008 Jihad! It's China you're dealing with. What else can you do? __________________ Faith not supported by reason and empirical evidence is wishful thinking. All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

	(#28 (permalink))
The Khan Free Thinker Status: Offline Posts: 456 Reputation: 1774 Rep Power: 4 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Royal State of Hyderabad Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! - 10-13-2008 I wasn't being serious. I'm sure half or one century from now China will undergo a major revolution. Maybe even longer. But it will occur, it's inevitable. We got hammered by China during our war with them during the early 60's, btw. __________________ Faith not supported by reason and empirical evidence is wishful thinking. All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

	(#29 (permalink))
north_malaysian LI Addict Status: Offline Posts: 7,302 Reputation: 15821 Rep Power: 44 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Penang Island, Malaysia Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! - 10-14-2008 send lots of Muslim missionaries to China.... __________________ أللهم غارت النجوم وهدأت العيون وإنت حي قيوم لا تأخذك سنة و لا نوم، ياحي يا قيوم يا قيوم، اهدئ ليال السكان غزة وانم عيونهم

	(#30 (permalink))
The Khan Free Thinker Status: Offline Posts: 456 Reputation: 1774 Rep Power: 4 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Royal State of Hyderabad Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Persecution of China's Muslims worse than Tibet! - 10-14-2008 Haha, lol, good idea Akhee __________________ Faith not supported by reason and empirical evidence is wishful thinking. All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.