Originally Posted by KAding

I am always amazed by the fact that so many people seem to think that simply because they disapprove of something, that it should be made illegal or even punishable by, say, death.

I agree with that statement, just because someone disapproves of something doesn't mean it should be made illegal, no one will agree with everyone else on everything in the world.

Maybe I should start advocating the death penalty myself for action I disapprove of, like say, eating meat or using loud motorcycles ;). All I need is my very own tyrannical majority and apparently I'd be all set! :P

Wow, thats a great idea, can I add people who ride those annoying kid bike things to the list, ermmm who else, ohh inconsiderate neighbours!!

Originally Posted by KAding

Who's 'true evil'? Of non-Muslims?

i do not mean to imply all non muslims are evil - im talking about the illegal wars being fought in our countries, and the inhumane and barbaric treatment the americans and jews make our innocent brothers endure. im talking about gitmo and vietnam. how about hiroshima? what about labour exploitation in china? lets not forget gaaza.

the fact of the matter is that through the ages westerners have proved again and again their governments are rotten to the core. and the people are blindly advocating them, believing themselves the bringers of peace to the world.
now im the first to admit muslim countries have their fair share of flaws and corruption, but what the west does is global terrorism yet because they grant gays et al, THEIR rights, the rights of everyone in the world are overlooked.

btw this is the right to life!

Originally Posted by Supreme

This is a joke, but one of the worst kind, the kind that costs lives. One day, maybe one day, the world will be a place where all human beings are free and equal. But this latest news from Uganda only proves that day is rather a long way away.

The white men taught africans the bible teachings and now when the africans want to impose the biblical teachings, the white men are shocked.
But now many, many european and american christians replaced christianity with liberalism. Our new religion is religion of human rights wich is far more important than God, Christ and Church.

Originally Posted by Amadeus85

The white men taught africans the bible teachings and now when the africans want to impose the biblical teachings, the white men are shocked.
But now many, many european and american christians replaced christianity with liberalism. Our new religion is religion of human rights wich is far more important than God, Christ and Church.

So you think killing homosexuals is the kind of thing Jesus would have advocated?

Originally Posted by Supreme

So you think killing homosexuals is the kind of thing Jesus would have advocated?

Well does the Bible approve of Homosexuality? I assume Christians believe the Bible is the word of God.

Originally Posted by Supreme

So you think killing homosexuals is the kind of thing Jesus would have advocated?

I dont think that they should be killed, but there should be some punishment for that act, just like it was in Europe even 50 years ago.
But of course now its impossible, for christians Jesus Christ was a hippie, gay activist and supporter of abortion and euthanasia.
No wonder why european and american churches stay empty, its a just God's punishment for violating His laws.

Originally Posted by Guestfellow

Well does the Bible approve of Homosexuality? I assume Christians believe the Bible is the word of God.

Most christians doesnt care, as for them it's ok to break christian laws, while the only true and unchangable religion is the religion of human rights. For them it's ok to doubt in almost every christian theological concept, while it's impossible to doubt in liberalism and human rights. John Locke, Wolter and Rousseau are more important for them than God, Christ and commandments.

Originally Posted by Amadeus85

Most christians doesnt care, as for them it's ok to break christian laws, while the only true and unchangable religion is the religion of human rights. For them it's ok to doubt in almost every christian theological concept, while it's impossible to doubt in liberalism and human rights. John Locke, Wolter and Rousseau are more important for them than God, Christ and commandments.

Hmmm

I'm curious, when did Christians have began to become more liberal? Is it due to secularism, materialism, democracy, when in America decided to seperate the state and the church or due to different views among the sects?

Does Christianity have a political structure?

Originally Posted by Guestfellow

Hmmm

I'm curious, when did Christians have began to become more liberal? Is it due to secularism, materialism, democracy, when in America decided to seperate the state and the church or due to different views among the sects?

Does Christianity have a political structure?

Well, the United States Constitution is built around Biblical principles, and all of the founding fathers were pretty much Christians.

But nowadays, America as a whole has been regressively turning her back on God. This country used to be a collectively God fearing and honoring society, but everything has been pretty much going down hill since about the end of World War II.

Whether it's taking prayer out of the schools, not displaying the Ten Commandments, the legalizing of abortion, and pretty much everything else that goes against the Biblical roots on which this country was founded. And God will judge America for this, in fact we are already experiencing God's judgement to a degree, but it is going to get much worse. All you have to do is look in the Old Testament to the many instances when the people of Israel turned their backs on God and he chastened them sore until their hearts were turned back to him.

Yet to be honest I don't think America will rise from the ashes after we experience the fullness of God's judgement like the Israelites, as we are pretty much ten minutes to midnight for the conclusion of this age, and the ushering in of the thousand year reign of Christ.

Originally Posted by Fedos

Well, the United States Constitution is built around Biblical principles, and all of the founding fathers were pretty much Christians.

But nowadays, America as a whole has been regressively turning her back on God. This country used to be a collectively God fearing and honoring society, but everything has been pretty much going down hill since about the end of World War II.

Whether it's taking prayer out of the schools, not displaying the Ten Commandments, the legalizing of abortion, and pretty much everything else that goes against the Biblical roots on which this country was founded. And God will judge America for this, in fact we are already experiencing God's judgement to a degree, but it is going to get much worse. All you have to do is look in the Old Testament to the many instances when the people of Israel turned their backs on God and he chastened them sore until their hearts were turned back to him.

Yet to be honest I don't think America will rise from the ashes after we experience the fullness of God's judgement like the Israelites, as we are pretty much ten minutes to midnight for the conclusion of this age, and the ushering in of the thousand year reign of Christ.

Interesting...thanks for that sharing that. I'm sensing a similar patterns for Muslims too.

Originally Posted by Guestfellow

Well does the Bible approve of Homosexuality? I assume Christians believe the Bible is the word of God.

No, we believe Jesus to be the Word of God, the Bible is simply a divinely inspired text; however, we must remember that much of the Bible was written for a small Jewish tribe facing persecution at the hands of every race in the Middle East, and not intended for the world's largest religion. Jesus never mentions the subject, but seeing as Jesus is just about the most moral person in history, I can't see Him shouting in demonstrations with huge 'Kill all the Gays' banners.

I dont think that they should be killed, but there should be some punishment for that act, just like it was in Europe even 50 years ago

Shoulda woulda coulda... mate, I don't want to live in the past, we develop as a human race, we evolve, it's social science.

But of course now its impossible, for christians Jesus Christ was a hippie, gay activist and supporter of abortion and euthanasia.

Maybe in your church mate.

No wonder why european and american churches stay empty, its a just God's punishment for violating His laws.

Speak for yourself, and also, God punishes people... by not allowing Himself to be worshipped in church? Wait, what?

Originally Posted by Supreme

No, we believe Jesus to be the Word of God, the Bible is simply a divinely inspired text; however, we must remember that much of the Bible was written for a small Jewish tribe facing persecution at the hands of every race in the Middle East, and not intended for the world's largest religion. Jesus never mentions the subject, but seeing as Jesus is just about the most moral person in history, I can't see Him shouting in demonstrations with huge 'Kill all the Gays' banners.

Well apparently other Christians don't share the same view here, where did they get the idea of not approving homosexuals?

Shoulda woulda coulda... mate, I don't want to live in the past, we develop as a human race, we evolve, it's social science.

I would not say we evolve...our culture is drowned in materialism...

Maybe in your church mate.

Speak for yourself, and also, God punishes people... by not allowing Himself to be worshipped in church? Wait, what?

Well the above just proved what I thought, there is a huge variety of views within Christian faith.

Either Christians are not following the Bible correctly or choosing what they want to believe and denying what the Bible states itself.

Well apparently other Christians don't share the same view here, where did they get the idea of not approving homosexuals?

This is more of a political issue than a religious one. There's far more divide in one's own church between liberals and conservatives than there is between Catholics and Protestants. I believe in the rights for everyone, and I believe that what happens between two consenting adults shouldn't be judged by hypocritical humans.

I would not say we evolve...our culture is drowned in materialism...

I would say we've evolved... we've come a long way since the isolated tribes of millenia ago, and every day we're evolving. Social science is not my strong point, but I'm fairly certiain we've come a long way as a race.

Well the above just proved what I thought, there is a huge variety of views within Christian faith.

You're never going to get two billion minds thinking identically. I'd have thought getting two minds to think identically would be a chore.

Either Christians are not following the Bible correctly or choosing what they want to believe and denying what the Bible states itself.

Apart from the obvious, there's no set in stone way to follow the Bible. Hence, why there are so many Christiand denominations out there, each with their own interpretations.

Originally Posted by Supreme

I would say we've evolved... we've come a long way since the isolated tribes of millenia ago, and every day we're evolving. Social science is not my strong point, but I'm fairly certiain we've come a long way as a race.

In terms of technology and medical science yes we have progressed, we also used technology to cause destruction, harm the environment and made nuclear weapons. Consumerism is a major problem I believe in many countries. Even the media though it can spread information very quickly it can also be used to spread false deceptive information to the public and brainwashing in some cases...

It is not difficult to workout if you sit back and watch what happens around the world.

You're never going to get two billion minds thinking identically. I'd have thought getting two minds to think identically would be a chore.

Thats true.

Apart from the obvious, there's no set in stone way to follow the Bible. Hence, why there are so many Christiand denominations out there, each with their own interpretations.

Hmmm....if interpretations vary amongst your other fellow Christians how do you decide which is the true interpretation? I mean there has to be an agreement correct on some of the issues? I see this has the Church dividing rather than uniting.

Even Islam has divided due to Muslims who have their own selfish agendas.

That such a question could even be asked in a prominent place would be very disturbing.

What's next? We execute anybody with freckles? Its insanity.