Originally Posted by EllyDicious

But whether it's Zina or not, that's another issue. It's a personal point of view. I was talking from an objective point of view.
You think it's Zina, others don't think it's Zina - the truth remains there, equally for all of us believers/non-believers. Without condoms you're at higher risk.

Personal point of views must be crushed if they conflict with the sharia of Allah. Because frankly, we have as many personal points of as humans there ever have been and there ever will be.

Originally Posted by EllyDicious

But whether it's Zina or not, that's another issue. It's a personal point of view. I was talking from an objective point of view.
You think it's Zina, others don't think it's Zina - the truth remains there, equally for all of us believers/non-believers. Without condoms you're at higher risk.

zina is sex outside of marriage, don't do it in the first place and there's no risk!

Originally Posted by mad_scientist

Personal point of views must be crushed if they conflict with the sharia of Allah.

Well..this applies for Muslims.
While non-Muslims are free to express their point of view whether it conflicts with the Islamic God or not.

Originally Posted by aadil77

zina is sex outside of marriage

Yes. Then using condoms is a stronger reason for those who want commit Zina. ;)

Originally Posted by EllyDicious

Well..this applies for Muslims.
While non-Muslims are free to express their point of view whether it conflicts with the Islamic God or not.


Yes. Then using condoms is a stronger reason for those who want commit Zina. ;)

Non-Muslims don't need to obey Allah and His law? This is what you have to offer...huh, I guess there's no need to be Muslim then and one can just abscond from Allah on the day of judgment saying "I was not Muslim in the world."

Originally Posted by EllyDicious

Well..this applies for Muslims.
While non-Muslims are free to express their point of view whether it conflicts with the Islamic God or not.


Yes. Then using condoms is a stronger reason for those who want commit Zina. ;)

You are free to express your point of view, but don't come on here promoting the filthy acts that are common amongst your people. Remember this is an islamic forum.

Originally Posted by EllyDicious

Well..this applies for Muslims.
While non-Muslims are free to express their point of view whether it conflicts with the Islamic God or not.


Yes. Then using condoms is a stronger reason for those who want commit Zina. ;)

It applies to non-Muslims living in Khilafa too.

Originally Posted by aadil77

You are free to express your point of view, but don't come on here promoting the filthy acts that are common amongst your people. Remember this is an islamic forum.

I'm not promoting anything. You confused it with me saying what I think regarding this topic.

Originally Posted by EllyDicious

Because children should have safe sex instead of unsafe sex

There is no such thing as safe sex. it's a myth.
safe sex can only occur within marriage.


From http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2010/02/theory-based-abstinence-education/

PHILADELPHIA – A new study weighs in on the controversy over sex education, finding that an abstinence-only intervention for pre-teens was more successful in delaying the onset of sexual activity than a health-promotion control intervention. After two years, one-third of the abstinence-only group reported having sex, compared to one-half of the control group. The study by researchers at the University of Pennsylvania appears in the February 1 edition of the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine.

Originally Posted by naidamar

safe sex can only occur within marriage.

No. That's a myth.

Originally Posted by EllyDicious

No. That's a myth.

tell me, how is it a myth?

and if you now assert that sex within marriage is safe is a myth, where does this "safe sex" happen then?

Remember you wrote this a few minutes ago:

Because children should have safe sex instead of unsafe sex

Originally Posted by naidamar

tell me, how is it a myth?

and if you now assert that sex within marriage is safe is a myth, where does this "safe sex" happen then?

Remember you wrote this a few minutes ago:

I think he/she means using condom. Married couples can use condom.

Go to UK there are 14 year olds are having sex these days. That maybe true for other countries in Europe too.

Originally Posted by Chuck

I think he/she means using condom. Married couples can use condom.

Go to UK there are 14 year olds are having sex these days. That maybe true for other countries in Europe too.

That's what I meant.
Condoms are not used only outside marriage. Are also used within marriage. So, sex inside marriage is not always safe.

Originally Posted by EllyDicious

That's what I meant.
Condoms are not used only outside marriage. Are also used within marriage. So, sex inside marriage is not always safe.

Well you said it is a myth. There are few cases where sex inside marriage was not safe in which spouse had STD(s). I guess it depends on the culture, in cultures with high infidelity, sex within marriage might not be safe. Really ironic, when sex within marriage is not safe... it is just not right.

Anyhow, condoms in marriage are usually used as method of birth control.

Originally Posted by Chuck

Anyhow, condoms in marriage are usually used as method of birth control.

But in fact condom is not popular in sex inside marriage. There were many complains from the husbands "I feel like bath while wear raincoat" they said.

Later, I see condom producer are trying to promote their product for men who want to having sex not with their wives. I can feel it when I watch their ads.

life is about learning from your mistakes. if they want to have sex then let them have it but let them catch all these horrible diseases and get pregnant because that is the only way they are going to learn not to be going around like a Prostitute and thats how others will learn too.

what a big burden that is for any state of a country to be looking after these stupid people. this is why they grow up and they don't know any thing about life so the lack of responsibility falls on there children. i also want to say that the thousands of young girls in my country that go to the clinic several times in one month to get the morning after pill. these kids are being given pills and they dont even know the side effects of these pills either. these are not sweets that can be taken all the time when they make a stupid mistake. these pills are also known to give abortion to a woman also