Originally Posted by sweet106

That still does not justify the attack and other atrocities that Taliban themselves have admitted to. These people were unarmed, they could or should have kept them hostage. One woman vs how many Afghanis?

Again being against the war in Afghanistan does not mean you have to support the Taliban.

Well im sorry i have to, because the Taliban are the only ones whose actions prove that they are against the War.... also the Taliban were taken out because, they had established Islamic Rule ... and Puppet Regime of Afghanistan has brought back all corruption which Taliban had eliminated...

Originally Posted by syed_z

Well im sorry i have to, because the Taliban are the only ones whose actions prove that they are against the War.... also the Taliban were taken out because, they had established Islamic Rule ... and Puppet Regime of Afghanistan has brought back all corruption which Taliban had eliminated...

Salam

From what you have posted is it from the same Christain group as those people that were killed today?

I don’t know what Islamic rule you are talking about. The "Islamic" rule before the war shouldn’t be classified Islamic anyways. I don’t support them but I rather want the people to decide then foreign forces. I don’t know whether the people want the Taliban or not.

Originally Posted by sweet106

Any proof that they were missionaries and also the fact that they were working there for years, decades as the man claims means nothing. All of the sudden they are trying to convert people and should be killed. Why now? Any proof apart what the Taliban said?

Any proof that they werent? and years dont mean anything missionaries are quite patient when it serves their purposes. Is the fact that christian missionaries are taking advantage of the poor something new? they've been doing it the world over for years. I may not agree with everything the taliban does but i'll give them the benefit of the doubt in this situation. Particulary when there was a news story a while back of soldiers going around trying to convert people. I dont put it past these people. They are opportunists looking to convert people to their religion in the most lowdown cunning ways. You'll even see it in the west where christian fanatics prey on immigrants who know very little english.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/as...025169646.html

I wonder what people would say if Muslims helpers were to be killed by Christians in Christian country.

If muslims come into a country as occupiers and than go around using help to lure desperate people into Islam than we can use that as an example. But I dont think it happens. I can sympathize with anybody but I just cant sympathize with missionaries. They are vermin and if they all died I wouldnt care.
Salam

Originally Posted by Lisa0

Any proof that they werent? and years dont mean anything missionaries are quite patient when it serves their purposes. Is the fact that christian missionaries are taking advantage of the poor something new? they've been doing it the world over for years. I may not agree with everything the taliban does but i'll give them the benefit of the doubt in this situation. Particulary when there was a news story a while back of soldiers going around trying to convert people. I dont put it past these people. They are opportunists looking to convert people to their religion in the most lowdown cunning ways. You'll even see it in the west where christian fanatics prey on immigrants who know very little english.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/as...025169646.html





If muslims come into a country as occupiers and than go around using help to lure desperate people into Islam than we can use that as an example. But I dont think it happens. I can sympathize with anybody but I just cant sympathize with missionaries. They are vermin and if they all died I wouldnt care.
Salam

Salam

Good points. Allah (swt) knows if these people were really there to help or not.
Your last point, I did read Saudi Arabia went to particular village and converted the people. They helped a couple with twins. I don’t know whether they were there just to convert or were helping as the article presented them in a good light surprisingly. I shall post here once I find it ishallah. I rarely hear Muslims doing it tho apart from something similar like the article I read.

Here is a positive article I was talking about!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8605403.stm

Cameroon's conjoined twins help spread Islam



By Francis Ngwa Niba
Babanki Tungo, Cameroon


Cameroonian conjoined twins Pheinbom and Shevoboh were seen as a bad omen when born, but their successful separation by Saudi surgeons has changed their lives - and the faith of some in their village.


People used to see me carrying them and run away and I felt so guilty and alone

Twins' mother Emerencia Nyumale
They were joined at the chest, abdomen and pelvis when born and some of the delivery nurses in Babanki Tungo, a village in north-west Cameroon, were so shocked by the "strange birth" that they ran out of the small clinic.

The basic medical services in Babanki Tungo were ill-equipped to care for the girls and, following an internet appeal, the Saudi king agreed to pay for them to be flown to Saudi Arabia for surgery in 2007.

The 16-hour operation succeeded in separating the twins and now they each have their own stomach.



Ngong James Akumbu (r), aka "Abdallah", has fathered 13 children
However, nearly three years on from the surgery, serious physical challenges remain.

After the separation, the girls were left with one leg each, and they are now waiting to return to Saudi Arabia to be fitted with artificial limbs and begin the arduous task of learning how to walk.

At the moment, they can only crawl. Even so, the twins are playful, talkative and mischievous - typical four-year-old girls, in fact.

But when they were born, they were anything but typical.

Islamic conversions

Some people in Babanki Tungo - a farming village known for producing many of Cameroon's vegetables - thought they were "satanic gifts" sent to punish their father, who already had 13 other children by two different wives.


Before the school was opened, I was unemployed, had many girlfriends and drank a lot

Koranic school teacher Kum Edwin
Others believed that Pheinbom and Shevoboh were sent to punish the whole village, after a traditional leader in the region was burnt alive by his angry subjects.

"It was very difficult when the babies were still joined together," the girls' mother Emerencia Nyumale remembers.

"People used to see me carrying them and run away and I felt so guilty and alone," she says.

"Thank God all that has ended now since their separation."

The girls' story has had another importance consequence for the people of Babanki Tungo.



Babanki Tungo has seen several conversions to Islam following the twins' separation

The Saudi government is funding an Islamic centre in the village consisting of a mosque, nursery, primary school and health centre.

This has led some village elders to predict that the largely Christian Babanki Tungo will be slowly Islamised.

The twins' parents have taken the lead.

As a mark of appreciation to their daughters' Saudi benefactors, they have converted to Islam.

The girl's father, Ngong James Akumbu, now calls himself "Abdallah", Emerencia goes by "Aisha", and five or their children attend the Islamic primary school.

Blessing or curse?

Kum Edwin, a teacher at the school, has also converted.

"Before the school was opened, I was unemployed, had many girlfriends and drank a lot," says Mr Edwin, who has changed his name to "Abdallah Wagf".


CONJOINED TWINS
Conjoined twins are extremely rare, occurring in as few as one in every 200,000 live births
They are created just a few days after conception - most likely by the incomplete splitting of the fertilised egg
Most are stillborn, and a proportion of those who are born alive do not survive long afterwards
"When I heard an Islamic school will be opened here, I did a three-month Islamic studies [course]… I no longer drink a lot and I am now searching for a wife because having lots of girlfriends is not good."

Many people in Babanki Tungo now see the birth of Pheinbom and Shevoboh as a blessing rather than a curse.

The sight of the twins crawling around the village no longer attracts mistrustful looks, as once it did.

"I always tell every parent to be patient because God always tempts people by showing them bad things which are good things in the future," muses the girls' father.

Indeed, the twins have seen a remarkable change in their fortunes.

From outcasts at birth, they now have their own, separate lives and have played an important part in changing the lives of the people around them.

After all that, learning to walk may prove to be easy.

I've heard about the Saudi story where they performed an operation on these twins that were attached in africa? The whole family and later the whole village converted to Islam. They did it in honour of the help they recieved from the muslims where as the rest of the village at the time thought the family was cursed and ostracized them. I dont think there was compulsion there. Saudi Arabia is Saudi Arabia and there'a not much else I can say about that country but their better than most other muslim countries in that they actually help other muslims money wise even though some question their motives ( like spreading their form of Islam) in doing so.
*edit I see you posted the article
Salam

Originally Posted by Lisa0

I can sympathize with anybody but I just cant sympathize with missionaries. They are vermin and if they all died I wouldnt care.

Except they wern't 'missionaries', they were medics, trying to save people's eyesight. . What part of that do you Talifans find so hard to grasp? .. sometimes you folks redefine the word 'gullible'. And even if they were distributing these imaginary Bibles, is Islam really so feeble a religion it is justifiable to slaughter 'missionaries' of other religions just to keep people believing in it?!

So they say. If they were truly medics than Allahu alam. This has nothing to with them trying to spread their religion but more to do with the conditions and manner they choose to do it in. You come into their country as occupiers and murderers and then have the audacity to try to spread your religion and expect to be welcomed with open arms. Afghanistan is a warzone.
What I find indeed gullible is how you people expect to be treated with respect and decency when you illegally occupy another nation and kill it's inhabitants on a daily basis. What part of leave Afghanistan do you people fail to grasp? no "medics" would die and neither would your soldiers.
Salam

Originally Posted by Lisa0

So they say. If they were truly medics than Allahu alam. This has nothing to with them trying to spread their religion but more to do with the conditions and manner they choose to do it in. You come into their country as occupiers and murderers and then have the audacity to try to spread your religion and expect to be welcomed with open arms. Afghanistan is a warzone.
What I find indeed gullible is how you people expect to be treated with respect and decency when you illegally occupy another nation and kill it's inhabitants on a daily basis. What part of leave Afghanistan do you people fail to grasp? no "medics" would die and neither would your soldiers.
Salam

I believe that the doctor who was executed had lived in Afghanistan for 30 years. That was way before the US occupation. These people were not part of an occupation. The Taliban said that one of the reasons for the execution was because they had tried to convert some people to Christianity. Huh? We Muslims can see the hate in a false Christian group burning a Qur'an in Florida but then look the other way when the Taliban EXECUTE Christian missionaries? I don't get the logic here people.

Very inconsistent.

Originally Posted by Trumble

Except they wern't 'missionaries', they were medics, trying to save people's eyesight. . What part of that do you Talifans find so hard to grasp? .. sometimes you folks redefine the word 'gullible'. And even if they were distributing these imaginary Bibles, is Islam really so feeble a religion it is justifiable to slaughter 'missionaries' of other religions just to keep people believing in it?!

''optometrist'' aren't medics, are they in your neck of the wood? what is an optometrist doing there? talk about hilarity, people can barely butter their bread from their poverty and decades of wars and they send over an optometrist?
I hope this is a lesson for anyone who wants to go to Afghanistan on a 'humanitarian mission' -- Do you feel equally bad when entire villages are bombed in pursuit of osama or the equally elusive easter bunny? or only when humanitarian optometrists on a divine mission are being killed?

I rejoice in no one's death but I really do hope this serves as a deterrent example to overzealous evangelists on a 'humanitarian mission'

Originally Posted by Rabi Mansur

I believe that the doctor who was executed had lived in Afghanistan for 30 years. That was way before the US occupation. These people were not part of an occupation. The Taliban said that one of the reasons for the execution was because they had tried to convert some people to Christianity. Huh? We Muslims can see the hate in a false Christian group burning a Qur'an in Florida but then look the other way when the Taliban EXECUTE Christian missionaries? I don't get the logic here people.

Very inconsistent.

I'm not advocating that my catholic neighbor who gives my family pamphlets die. Neither am I advocating the jehovah witness who knock on our doors early in the morning be killed also. But if you come to country as occupiers, kill my people and then try to take advantage of the weak in their time of need by acting helpful while you have ulterior motives than if you die that was risk you were willing to take and i'm not going to shed any tears over it. They may not have been preaching their religion but like I said before I would not put it past them to do so and many case has proven that they do. I'm from Somalia and there are European christians who can speak better somali than me because they have lived there for decades who still try to convert Somali's to christianity. I dislike those who take advantage of the plight of struggling people to propagate their religion.
Salam

^^^ speaking of which the evangies have been really laying it extra thick now a days so much for the ''war on terror''-- & speaking of desperation my sister constantly finds silly pamphlets in arabic on the prayer rug designated for muslims in her multi-denominational chapel of her hospital..

In arabic? very smart. They must have put alot of thought into it.
For some reason I constantly get approached by jehovah Witnesses. They'll even stop their cars park and walk all the way to where i'm standing just to talk to me. It's weird. It doesnt really happen to anyone else I know.
Salam

Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ

^^^ speaking of which the evangies have been really laying it extra thick now a days so much for the ''war on terror''-- & speaking of desperation my sister constantly finds silly pamphlets in arabic on the prayer rug designated for muslims in her multi-denominational chapel of her hospital..

^desperate attempts to save a declining religion, tough times for christianity at the moment

I dislike those who take advantage of the plight of struggling people to propagate their religion.

I understand. They feel that it is their calling from God Almighty to save the poor heathen. I live in the middle of a bunch of them. I even have family members who would adopt orphans in order to convert them to their own religion. Their intentions are honorable but they don't know any better. It is sad.
They carry around a sense of spiritual superiority and self-importance. But in reality they are deluded.

I wonder what will come out as far as the religious activities of this medical group. I still am sickened by what the Taliban did to them.

Salam