Originally Posted by Zafran

Salaam

why would pakistan help Afghanistan it needs help itself with the flood crisis.

peace.

flood crisis does not change pakistani policies, it doesn't stop the ISI from supplying weapons like they did back in the soviet war

Originally Posted by aadil77

flood crisis does not change pakistani policies, it doesn't stop the ISI from supplying weapons like they did back in the soviet war

this is true. pakistan has always had a vested interest in afghan politics hence the existence of their puppet regime the Taliban.

i've not known the taliban to have killed missionaries in the past , let alone aid workers. kind of weird.

Originally Posted by aadil77

flood crisis does not change pakistani policies, it doesn't stop the ISI from supplying weapons like they did back in the soviet war

Salaam

Now the policies have changed thanks to Zardari - It would be heavily counter productive for them to help the Taleban. The only people that can help them are the terrorists in pakistan.

peace

Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ

you are deluding yourself to believe that there is another purpose behind their presence there!

You have failed to provide any evidence whatsoever that these people were missionaries and not medics, and there is copious evidence to the contrary. The idea that somehow the requirement to see properly doesn't constitute a significant medical need (something I well understand due to my own extreme myopia) I find absolutely laughable, even if the screening for diseases such as glaucoma did not form an essential part of such tests ... and as already been established that is hardly all they were doing. I'm afraid a vid of some other people somewhere else just doesn't cut it.

It is you, I'm afraid, who is so sadly 'deluded'.

Those medics got what they deserved. I hope the fatalities of NATO and U.S. troops will increase in great number. American Govt. likes to make themselves look like they are the peaceful and everyone else is mischievous. They try to impose self-rigtheousness after they attack any country by sending aid, troops giving the kids candy and all that crap. InshaAllah, by the help of Allah the mujahideen will gain victory over the enemy of Islam.

Originally Posted by Trumble

You have failed to provide any evidence whatsoever that these people were missionaries and not medics, and there is copious evidence to the contrary. The idea that somehow the requirement to see properly doesn't constitute a significant medical need (something I well understand due to my own extreme myopia) I find absolutely laughable, even if the screening for diseases such as glaucoma did not form an essential part of such tests ... and as already been established that is hardly all they were doing. I'm afraid a vid of some other people somewhere else just doesn't cut it.

It is you, I'm afraid, who is so sadly 'deluded'.

I don't need to be slapped in the face with a purpose of a mission to understand what it is about! It is sad that we substitute brains for technology now a days. Your naivete or purposeful blindness is something you'll have to workout on your own private time! The Optometrist was a U.S guy, they have no authority to write prescriptions here for anything other than fit folks for glasses, they have no authority to diagnose diseases (which may very well be rampant) and again, you don't need ancillary luxuries when you don't have the basics (they call them doctors the same way they call chiropractors doctors) neither are licensed physicians with the authority to diagnose, treat disease or manage patients-- further those who wish to do good work abroad join reputable institutions like doctors without borders, that is if they are truly there to provide urgent medical care!.. Does Afghanistan not have regular doctors for them to send an optometrist or whatever else from overseas?

you are free to believe as you desire, it won't change the fact of the matter, it won't change videos that have leaked and are leaking in non mainstream media outlets, and it won't change the fact that fools like them will chance it if they go to Afghanistan under whatever good Samaritan guise, it also won't elicit emotions out of the rest of us, we have been desensitized with death every day!

all the best

NPR has some info about what these people did. I can't post a link yet, but you can google NPR and find it that way.

Compelling stories are emerging about the lives of those who were among the 10 members of a medical aid team murdered in northern Afghanistan last week.

American Tom Little, for example, had spent nearly all of the last 31 years in the country — through the Russian invasion, civil wars, Taliban take-over and the post-9/11 toppling of that regime by U.S. and coalition forces. An eye doctor, Little and his wife Libby raised three daughters while living and working in Afghanistan. They brought eye care and glasses to people in some of the poorest and most remote areas on the planet.

These people were worth more than my miserable life. What do I do for humanity? Nothing. These people helped improve lives.

Originally Posted by nihil est

NPR has some info about what these people did. I can't post a link yet, but you can google NPR and find it that way.

These people were worth more than my miserable life. What do I do for humanity? Nothing. These people helped improve lives.

you should find a news outlet that tells you of the lives destroyed by your occupation as well.. others are mothers, uncles, daughters, working individuals, communities, lives snuffed in their prime.. ask where the humanity is in that, and if you can't find it, then bring your good Samaritans home to help the locals where humanity counts better!

I notice you did nothing to challenge my point. What do you do to help people? Can you even imagine dedicating 30 years of your life to helping another person, moving your family to another country and raising your children there so that you could bring the gift of sight to people?

and it won't change the fact that fools like them will chance it if they go to Afghanistan under whatever good Samaritan guise, it also won't elicit emotions out of the rest of us, we have been desensitized with death every day!

If the above is true then that good Samaritan was most likely much more sensitized to death than you in your private school in the US.

While you denigrate him for not being a "real" doctor he was there trying to help people. He made a real commitment.

- further those who wish to do good work abroad join reputable institutions like doctors without borders, that is if they are truly there to provide urgent medical care!

Doctors Without Borders is no longer in Afghanistan since they had members killed there. The killings were claimed by the Taliban.

Does Afghanistan not have regular doctors for them to send an optometrist or whatever else from overseas?

The majority of citizens of Afghanistan are illiterate, and the Taliban has destroyed over 150 schools in the last year. That makes it hard to educate homegrown doctors.

And with the few people that do volunteer to help being targeted for death then yes, I am sure it is difficult to get many people from overseas to go help.

Originally Posted by nihil est

I notice you did nothing to challenge my point.

How does one challenge your personal opinion?

What do you do to help people?

Who are you for me to share my list of deeds with? further, is it common in the west to publish ones good deeds seeking other people's approval?

that isn't how it works in Islam:

2:271-- If you do deeds of charity openly, it is well; but if you bestow it upon the needy in secret, it will be even better for you, and it will atone for some of your bad deeds. And God is aware of all that you do.

Can you even imagine dedicating 30 years of your life to helping another person, moving your family to another country and raising your children there so that you could bring the gift of sight to people?

God brings the gift of sight, not optometrists, and given that I have traveled and lived in the far east,middle east and Africa doing what I do through proper means, I say I developed enough sense to know who needs help and who doesn't while clearly defining my agenda as opposed to imposing it!

Originally Posted by titus

If the above is true then that good Samaritan was most likely much more sensitized to death than you in your private school in the US.

You know this how? because they died a little death every day and then one day had a real death in their sheltered compounds? It would be amazing indeed for these selfless crusaders to have braved the taliban and survived for '30 years' if indeed your speculations are true!

While you denigrate him for not being a "real" doctor he was there trying to help people. He made a real commitment.

Again, a personal opinion that has no basis in reality whatsoever. I don't denigrate him for his job even a shoe mender has something to offer, I question the legitimacy and agenda of sending an optometrist to a place that has no use for him!

Doctors Without Borders is no longer in Afghanistan since they had members killed there. The killings were claimed by the Taliban.

hopefully this random killing will serve to drive more foreigners out!

The majority of citizens of Afghanistan are illiterate, and the Taliban has destroyed over 150 schools in the last year. That makes it hard to educate homegrown doctors.

Really how do you know this? fox news or sky TV? you are funny!
go ahead and google me a laundry list of propagandist B.S

And with the few people that do volunteer to help being targeted for death then yes, I am sure it is difficult to get many people from overseas to go help.

Then perhaps you should take a hint that your volunteer work is not welcome there!

all the best

It would be nice to see some sources of all these numbers that are being posted.

Originally Posted by Zafran

It would be nice to see some sources of all these numbers that are being posted.

All you really need is for one of them to google a pic of a teddy bar, mother with child and write some bombastic emotional bull and then have it passed out as facts.. That is how they appease themselves and justify their carnage while making those occupied into villains!

2:11 When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only want to make peace!"
2:12 Are not they indeed the mischief-makers? But they perceive not.


sob7an Allah, how their psychology is the same throughout the centuries!

Originally Posted by Lynx

i've not known the taliban to have killed missionaries in the past , let alone aid workers. kind of weird.

probably cause there weren't any missionaries dumb enough to enter afghanistan

Originally Posted by Trumble

There is no suggestion ANYWHERE that this was an evangelical or missionary group, except from the BS spouted by their murderers. Despite your BS, they were not 'optometrists'. Unfortunately the only people this is likely to deter are other people actually trying to HELP the Afghan people rather than kill them in the name of politics or God.

Why do you suddenly seem to care so much about one human life when you clearly don't have the slightest sympathy for those Muslims who are being killed everyday through sanctions and invasions and massacres? Don't you think that people are noticing what you're doing, what would your Buddha say to this attitude? Why are you always defending the killers of Muslims but when a non-Muslim is killed you suddenly become an extremely "humane" person?