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    By Omar Sacirbey| Religion News Service, Published: January 17
    Growing up in rural parts of the American West, Nadja Adolf’s libertarian streak developed early on.
    “When you come from a countryside that can kill you,” said Adolf, a Muslim convert in her late 50s, “there is a strong emphasis on individual rights, a strong emphasis on self-reliance, and an emphasis on helping each other out.”


    That attitude is part of the reason Adolf is drawn to the presidential campaign of Ron Paul, the maverick Republican congressman from Texas who is fighting to stay alive in the Republican primaries.
    While some political observers question whether Paul has the staying power and widespread appeal to win the nomination, his campaign has proven unique in one respect: he’s drawing serious support from Muslims.
    After abandoning the GOP in droves during the George W. Bush presidency, some Muslims say Paul is the kind of Republican who could draw them back and seriously challenge their loyalty to President Obama.
    Adolf, who converted to Islam in May 2001, learned about Paul in 2004 during the congressman’s opposition to the Patriot Act, which he argued allows the government the right to spy on citizens. Paul also opposed the National Defense Authorization Act, which was recently signed into law by Obama and allows the government to indefinitely imprison U.S. citizens suspected, but not proven guilty, of terrorist activity.
    “I’m a fairly old-school rural Westerner, and I am a firm believer in individual rights, and I do not understand how a government can even pretend to have the power to detain a citizen or spy on them without warrant,” said Adolf.
    Paul, a 76-year-old Baptist, couldn’t agree more.
    The renegade Republican has piqued Muslim interest with promises to extract America from foreign wars, cut aid to Israel, and protect civil liberties. There are at least four “Muslims for Ron Paul” Facebook pages, and a scan of Paul’s political donors shows many common Muslim names, like Mohammed, Ali and Ahmed.
    Paul’s position on civil liberties resonates with many younger Muslims, including Zahra Siddiqui, an 18-year-old political science major at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.
    “These laws are obviously directed at policing Muslims,” Siddiqui said. “Ron Paul knows how to differentiate between Muslims and terrorists, and he would never sacrifice any citizen’s liberties over security.”
    Paul’s promise to get the U.S. out of Afghanistan and other foreign conflicts also appeals to Siddiqui, whose family is from Pakistan and who worries that U.S. drone strikes there could escalate into war. Like other Muslim Paul supporters, Siddiqui said the Texas congressman is the only candidate willing to get tough with Israel.
    “He has a deep understanding of how detrimental our foreign policy has been in Islamic countries,” Siddiqui said. “Ron Paul will stop the large amount of foreign aid given to Israel and will discontinue rushing to Israel’s defense when it engages in oppressing the Palestinian people.”
    Some American Muslims say they’ve been let down by Obama, especially after investing such high hopes after the 2008 election.
    “We’ve been burned again and again,” said Rizwan Kadir, a financial consultant in suburban Chicago who brought his daughter to the election booth and voted for Obama four years ago. “I’m very disappointed.”
    Kadir is unsure whether he will give Obama a second chance, but he is confident that he could never vote for any of the Republican candidates — except Paul. “If it came down to him and Obama, I don’t know,” Kadir said.
    Paul’s Muslim supporters say it’s not all about foreign policy or civil liberties. They also make the case that Islam, founded by a prophet who was a successful merchant, also has a soft spot for free markets.
    Following a natural disaster that caused the price of commodities to soar, Prophet Muhammad rejected price controls, said Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad, founder of the Minaret of Freedom Institute in Bethesda, Md., whose mission includes exposing Muslims to free-market thought.
    “Allah grants plenty or shortage,” Muhammad said, according to Islamic tradition. “He is the sustainer and real price maker.”
    It’s the kind of small-government, go-it-alone approach that resonates with Adolf’s frontier mindset.
    “I think there are some very strong libertarian values in Islam, but many Muslims don’t see them,” said Adolf. “If it’s not causing harm to the community, then its really nobody’s business.”
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    Default Re: Muslims say Ron Paul is their kind of Republican


    What does everyone think ?

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    Default Re: Muslims say Ron Paul is their kind of Republican


    I'm not a supporter of Ron Paul, but I agree with him on some issues, like foreign policy.


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    I don't believe anyone who gets to be us president isn't going to be controlled, but I do believe Ron Paul's stated policies beat any of the others, his gold standard is also compatible with Islam.


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    I agree with his policies, they are better for Muslims but due to most Americans dislike for Muslims I don't believe he will become president. During his campaign, when people found out Obamas father was a Muslim, they were shocked as if it were a disease and he had people turn against him. Then he made it clear he isn't which changed their opinion of him.

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    Quite frankly, muslims shouldn't even involve themselves in voting or democracy. It's shirk, and if we reflect on this, think about where it all began, we would understand where it all stems from.

    You do not worship from other than Him except names you named it, you and your fathers/forefathers, God did not descend with it from a proof/evidence , that the judgment/rule (is) except to God, He ordered/commanded that you not worship except (only) Him that (is) the religion the straight , and but most of the people do not know. Quran 12:40
    Tafsir by Abdur Raheem As-Saranbi

    In this ayah Allah (swt) tells us how Yusuf (as) continues his dawah to the two prisoners.
    The reality of this dawah is nothing but a call to Allah (swt). In the end all that you are calling the
    people towards is the m’arifa of Allah (swt). The knowledge and the realization of the Lord. This is
    the reality of this dawah. So this is what Yusuf (as) does in this ayah. He (as) calls these two
    young men to Allah (swt). He (as) describes Allah (swt) for them. He (as) makes them reality of
    their Creator. Once they realize this reality then they will see how nothing else matters except
    complete submission to it.
    Yusuf (as) begins this ayah by saying “O my companions of the prison”. Notice even
    the way in which Yusuf (as) addresses them. He (as) refers to them as his companions in the
    prison. This is a word that denotes friendship and nearness. This is the relationship that Yusuf
    (as) builds with these two prisoners. He (as) does not hate them because they are not Muslim.
    He (as) does not have rancor and malice towards them. He (as) knows that they are lost souls
    and that they are in need of the guidance that he (as) brings them from their Lord. He (as) knows
    that the only reason why they have not submitted to Allah (swt) is because their society has made
    them ignorant and blind to Him (swt). That is why he (as) feels that he (as) needs to guide them.
    So he (as) treats them with kindness and respect. He (as) wants to bring them closer to himself
    so that perchance they would be attentive to what he (as) has to say about Allah (swt).
    This is how we must also be towards the people who we carry dawah to. Be they
    Muslims who we are reminding about Allah (swt) or non-Muslims who we are informing about
    Allah (swt). We want the people to come closer and closer to Allah (swt). We want them to
    worship and serve Him (swt) just like we are doing. We do not want anything to prevent them
    from knowing their Creator. Especially not our own behavior. Imagine how terrible it would be for 145
    you if you prevented someone from knowing Allah (swt) just because of your crude behavior.
    Because of your arrogance and your pride. Because of your hatred and your looking down on
    them. This was not the way of the Prophet (saw). He (saw) treated everyone with honor and
    respect, even though he (saw) was much better a creation than them. If there was any human
    being who had the right to look down on others and think of himself as better than others then it
    would have been the Prophet (saw). He (saw) had been informed first hand by Allah (swt) that he
    (saw) was the best of creation and that he (saw) was His (swt)’s most beloved. So the Prophet
    (saw) truly was the best. But this did not cause him (saw) to be arrogant or proud. Rather he
    (saw) was humble and kind even to the slaves and the poor. Such was a heart that truly knew
    Allah (swt). Only if you try to inculcate in yourself such a heart will you be among those who can
    call to the Real and the True. How can you impart to others the m’arifa of Allah (swt) if you
    yourself do not have it? Know that such m’arifa will never enter a heart that is arrogant or proud
    or heart that has hatred for the creation of Allah (swt).
    Of course the non-Muslims can never be our brothers like the Muslims are, but we should
    still treat them with kindness and respect. We should still respect them because they are also the
    children of Adam (as) and they are also the creation of Allah (swt). We should still try to become
    closer to them so that they will sincerely listen to what we have to say. Only when it becomes
    clear that they have rejected the Message that we are presenting should we then turn away from
    them. Until then we need to have Ihsan towards them and we should continue calling them to
    their Creator. The Real and the True. The Purpose of all existence.
    In the next part of the ayah Yusuf (as) asks these two prisoners a question. He (as) asks
    of them “are many arguing lords better or Allah, the One, the Conqueror”. The Arabic word
    rabb, which we have translated here as “lord” actually gives a far deeper meaning that this. It also
    gives the meaning of “king” and “sovereign”, it also gives the meaning of “sustainer” and
    “provider” and it also gives the meaning of “master” and “owner”. All of these meanings are
    present in this one Arabic word. So Yusuf (as) presents two alternatives for these prisoners. He
    (as) asks them if many different lords arguing with each other are better or Allah (swt), then he
    (as) describes for them two of Allah (swt)’s most Majestic Names. 146
    Let us consider these two alternatives for ourselves and see which of them is better. Are
    many arguing lords better or is Allah (swt)? Would you rather have many different masters
    arguing with each other or would you rather have Allah (swt) as your Master? Is it better to have
    many kings fighting with each other or is Allah (swt) better as King? Is it better to have many
    legislators arguing with each other or is Allah (swt) the true Sovereign? Of course the answer to
    this should be obvious, but how many people today are ignorant of this fact. Just like the people
    today are heedless of this fact, the people were also heedless of it at the time of Yusuf (as). This
    is why he (as) poses this question to these two prisoners.
    This ayah is a powerful evidence as to why democracy can never be an acceptable form
    of government in Islam. What is democracy except many lords arguing with each other? The
    people elect representatives to go to congress and parliament. What then are these
    representatives except lords arguing with each other? They will argue and wrangle with each
    other only to pass a single law. Each of them wants to do what is in his agenda. Each of them
    only wants to bring the laws that they want. Each of them only looks to the interests of those that
    helped them get elected. They rarely think about what is best for the people. They rarely think
    about what is just and fair. This is why man can never be the legislator. This is why Allah (swt)
    has forbidden man from legislating in this Din. So how sad is it that there are Muslims today who
    are calling for democracy? They should come back and read this ayah and think about its
    meaning. They should realize that this ayah is yet another evidence as to why the only
    government acceptable to Allah (swt) is the Islamic State.
    Not only does this ayah give the meaning that Allah (swt) should be the Sovereign for the
    Muslims but it also gives the meaning that He (swt) should be the Sovereign for all mankind.
    There should not be any other lords beside Allah (swt) because He (swt) is the One and the
    Conqueror. How beautiful would it be if all mankind lived under the Law of Allah (swt)? This does
    not mean that the people should be forced to become Muslim, rather it means that the
    Sovereignty over the earth should be return to its Creator. This is where Sovereignty belongs.
    This ayah testifies to that fact and this entire universe testifies to that fact. How wonderful would
    that be if this should happen. There would be no more wars. There would be no more petty 147
    conflicts between the people. All of the resources of this world would be distributed evenly.
    Everyone would have a fair share of the wealth. But best of all is that all of the people will be
    given the chance to correctly receive the Message that their Creator has sent them. How
    wonderful would that be? How much better would it be than the corrupt system we have today
    where the many arguing lords hoard all of the wealth and resources for themselves and leave
    nothing for the people. The arguing lords are busy fighting with each other and the people are left
    to suffer. The people are suffering and they do not even realize how much they are suffering. May
    Allah (swt) save us all!
    In the final part of this ayah Yusuf (as) describes two of Allah (swt)’s most Majestic
    Names and these Names tell us why He (swt) should be the Lord for all creation. Yusuf (as)
    describes Allah (swt) here as “the One, the Conqueror”. Allah (swt) is the One in that He (swt) is
    the only One like Him (swt). Who else is there who is like Allah (swt)? He (swt) is the One and
    Only. Is there anyone else who is the Creator? Is there anyone else who is the Sustainer? Is
    there anyone else with all of the Names of Perfection? Is there anyone else who is the source of
    everything? So how then can anyone else claim to be sovereign besides He (swt)? Allah (swt) is
    also the Conqueror. Allah (swt) is the One Who defeats and overpowers all else. There is no one
    who can defeat Allah (swt). There is no one who can even try and take His (swt)’s Sovereignty
    from Him (swt). There is no might nor power except with Allah (swt), so how then can anyone
    stand a chance against Him (swt)? Once you realize that Allah (swt) is One and that He (swt)
    conquers and subdues all else, how then can you ever desire a lord besides He (swt)?
    So we see in this ayah that Yusuf (as) is not merely telling these prisoners that Allah
    (swt) should be the only God to worship, but he (as) is also telling them that He (swt) should be
    the only Sovereign to obey. This meaning is clear from the ayah. How sad is it then that today
    many so-called Muslims use this Surah to justify a government other than the Islamic State?
    Insha Allah we will come to the ayahs that they use to justify kufr governments and Insha Allah
    we will show how their understating of these ayahs is wrong. Whereas this ayah and several
    other ayahs in the Quran clearly show that the only Allah (swt) can be the Sovereign.
    I would provide more tafsir, and I know this is not the best source, but the other stuff is quite lengthy, Just go through Ibn Kathir's tafsir, you will see the same kind of explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhareebInshalla View Post
    I agree with his policies, they are better for Muslims but due to most Americans dislike for Muslims I don't believe he will become president. During his campaign, when people found out Obamas father was a Muslim, they were shocked as if it were a disease and he had people turn against him. Then he made it clear he isn't which changed their opinion of him.
    I agree, I rememebr hearing that during one of Obama's TV appearances in his campaign, they lined up his supporters at the background, and on one of the camera angles there were two Muslim girls in hijabs they were told politely to leave because the image may hurt Obama's camapign.

    A bit naive for these sisters to support Obama, look what he's doing now, democrat, republican, all the same. But just highlights how negative the image of Muslims has become over there.

    Ron Paul has sound policies and good principles in theory, but it's a complete joke, he's only being given airtime to bring the disillusioned people back into the fold. They do not want a election where only 40% of eligible voters turn up to vote. So they throw Ron Paul in there to get people coming in and voting. Ron Paul will never win though.

    Plus, look at the Liberal Democrats from the UK. They were making all sorts of nice airy fairy statements before the elections, they probably thought they had no chance of winning so they just said whatever, then they had to go into coalition with the tories, and basically become a Tory puppet. I would imagine the same will happen if Ron Paul got elected.

    The face of the leadership might change, but the security forces, corporate america and the lobbyists like ADL will still be the same so it will be business as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicIntuition View Post
    Quite frankly, muslims shouldn't even involve themselves in voting or democracy. It's shirk, and if we reflect on this, think about where it all began, we would understand where it all stems from.


    I would provide more tafsir, and I know this is not the best source, but the other stuff is quite lengthy, Just go through Ibn Kathir's tafsir, you will see the same kind of explanation.

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    I agree sister,
    Even involving themselves in it is a waste of time, when the american people see that the politician is getting support from Muslims, they can kiss their campaign goodbye.
    We have our own system that has no flaws, running after a government that will eventually turn on us, is a mistake many muslims are making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karimium View Post
    I agree, I rememebr hearing that during one of Obama's TV appearances in his campaign, they lined up his supporters at the background, and on one of the camera angles there were two Muslim girls in hijabs they were told politely to leave because the image may hurt Obama's camapign.

    A bit naive for these sisters to support Obama, look what he's doing now, democrat, republican, all the same. But just highlights how negative the image of Muslims has become over there.

    Ron Paul has sound policies and good principles in theory, but it's a complete joke, he's only being given airtime to bring the disillusioned people back into the fold. They do not want a election where only 40% of eligible voters turn up to vote. So they throw Ron Paul in there to get people coming in and voting. Ron Paul will never win though.

    Plus, look at the Liberal Democrats from the UK. They were making all sorts of nice airy fairy statements before the elections, they probably thought they had no chance of winning so they just said whatever, then they had to go into coalition with the tories, and basically become a Tory puppet. I would imagine the same will happen if Ron Paul got elected.

    The face of the leadership might change, but the security forces, corporate america and the lobbyists like ADL will still be the same so it will be business as usual.
    Right, their all the same.
    And I highly doubt Ron Paul is going to get elected, even if he does, he will change his words to meet the approval of the American people.
    I remember watching a debate and he said "who made America the international police?"
    He was criticized for quite some time, and people accused him of saying that America brought 9/11 upon themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhareebInshalla View Post
    Right, their all the same.
    And I highly doubt Ron Paul is going to get elected, even if he does, he will change his words to meet the approval of the American people.
    I remember watching a debate and he said "who made America the international police?"
    He was criticized for quite some time, and people accused him of saying that America brought 9/11 upon themselves.
    Yep, more muslims are going back to sharia law, even in western countries like the UK.
    An estimated 85 Sharia councils could be operating in Britain, according to a 2009 report by the think tank Civitas.Several bodies like the Islamic Sharia Council have seen a large increase in their cases in the past five years.
    ''Our cases have easily more than tripled over the past three to five years," says Sheikh al-Haddad.
    ''On average, every month we can deal with anything from 200 to 300 cases. A few years ago it was just a small fraction of that.
    ''Muslims are becoming more aligned with their faith and more aware of what we are offering them,'' he explained.
    The principles of Sharia govern all aspects of a Muslim's life. It is derived from a combination of sources including the Koran, the Hadith, which is based on the example of the prophet Muhammad, and fatwas, which are rulings of Islamic scholars. Sharia has been operating in the UK, managed by locally-appointed councils, in parallel to the British legal system since 1982.But the informal councils have no legal powers and they cannot impose any penalties.

    They deal with civil cases alone, but many Muslims are choosing to voluntarily accept rulings made by the scholars.
    That's a quote from a BBC article.

    Unfortunately we have democracy even in Islamic countries, so it's become the norm pretty much everywhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicIntuition View Post
    Yep, more muslims are going back to sharia law, even in western countries like the UK.

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    Mashallah, theres also a growing interest in implementing sharia law in the U.S as well
    But now that the new laws are being passed, people are becoming more and more afraid to speak out.

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    huh, nobody can be the president of USA if he isn't a puppet of israel. Ron Paul wouldn't become president and even if he does he would change his words.

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    ^^
    Agreed ukhti


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    Default Re: Muslims say Ron Paul is their kind of Republican


    I've seen even some Christian pastors want to implement some parts of Sharia law into U.S. laws. To some extent, some parts of it are already here anyway.

    But I don't necessarily think that Muslims who live in democratic countries shouldn't care about what goes on in the political process. Because if they try and pass more crazy laws that have us in concentration camps or something and we don't speak out, that wouldn't be cool. If we aren't around to try and educate people about what Sharia law really is, then the negative propaganda against it will continue and people will continue to fear it not knowing how it could benefit them. And they will continue to fear and hate us for not using that voice. I also agree that Muslims shouldn't be obsessing over these politicians either.

    I agree that Muslims shouldn't be advocating for democracy in Muslim countries but for those of us who already live in democratic nations in the west, well, we can't sit idly by while we all mysteriously begin to disappear in some concentration camps somewhere. Right now we're at a point in history where I am not so sure that public sentiment toward Muslims would try and stop something like that from happening. It's a transition. Can't move from democracy to sharia in one day but if we do nothing then it won't happen at all.

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