I think what it cmoes down to is whose children are dying.

About 40,000 Chechen children have been killed - Putin has received support and the slow genocide of the Chechen population is accepted. Their hasnt been a massive outcry over this - in fact quite the opposite, most world leaders are willing to meet and greet him. No talk of terrorism their.

Someone reacts in a desperate attempt to stop the slaughter of his people and 300 people die and all of a sudden its the worst thing ever.

People should never involve children, right? - so why are democratically elected leaders in the west supporting child murderer Putin?

If your so worried about children dying in this conflict where was the outcry when it was just Chechen children being slaughtered before beslan?

How many children have the democratically elected leaders of the US, UK and Israel killed in their various conflicts? Oh sorry that was just "collateral damage"...

As i said it all depends on whose child you happen to be.

Originally Posted by Chechnya

I think what it cmoes down to is whose children are dying.

About 40,000 Chechen children have been killed - Putin has received support and the slow genocide of the Chechen population is accepted. Their hasnt been a massive outcry over this - in fact quite the opposite, most world leaders are willing to meet and greet him. No talk of terrorism their.

Someone reacts in a desperate attempt to stop the slaughter of his people and 300 people die and all of a sudden its the worst thing ever.

People should never involve children, right? - so why are democratically elected leaders in the west supporting child murderer Putin?

If your so worried about children dying in this conflict where was the outcry when it was just Chechen children being slaughtered before beslan?

How many children have the democratically elected leaders of the US, UK and Israel killed in their various conflicts? Oh sorry that was just "collateral damage"...

As i said it all depends on whose child you happen to be.

Hey, you are the one portraying the murderers of children as heroes here.

Nobody said anything about any other children being killed. You bring that up now to distract from the topic. We are talking about Beslan, not the US, UK or Israel. Children being killed anywhere by anyone is wrong, period.
These pigs at Beslan cannot be defended. They will burn for what they did to those children. It is immoral, and disgusting to think that anyone would defend the murder and terrorizing of children, for any cause.

The "brave" fighters took children as hostages. Why not soldiers, construction workers, or an office building? Because they were cowards and went after the easiest targets. Children. What's next? A senior citizens home?

Originally Posted by Trumble

Hear, hear. There are no excuses for such actions, and trying to make them is, frankly, pathetic.

This incident was an absolute disaster to the Chechen cause. It achieved nothing apart from causing what had been considerable support from outside Russia to dry up completely. The Russians had claimed they were fighting their own "war on terror", and overnight Beslan made it impossible to deny that that must be at least partly true. I would have thought Chechens would condemn those responsible for treachery and total incompetence, even if murdering children doesn't bother them.

I thought the same thing.

Hey, you are the one portraying the murderers of children as heroes here.

Shamil Basayev is a hero for all that he has done previously for the Chechen cause but not for Beslan.

Nobody said anything about any other children being killed. You bring that up now to distract from the topic. We are talking about Beslan, not the US, UK or Israel.

Just proved my point - you are only willing to talk about non-muslim children and not the crimes which are carried out by western nations.
If your so against kids dying, theres no harm in discussing it either - in fact it relates directly to this discussion. To what extent should children be involved in wars.
Beslan is off-limits to you obviously (me too) so what about bombing cities from the air KNOWING hundreds/thousands of children are gonne die in the process - acceptable or not?

The "brave" fighters took children as hostages. Why not soldiers, construction workers, or an office building? Because they were cowards and went after the easiest targets. Children. What's next? A senior citizens home?

Well if you study the course of the chechn-russian war, you will see those that fought say in the battle for grozny - like the leader of the hostage-takers did - are quite clearly not cowards.

Facing the worst bombardment since the second world war with no air cover to portect you and only a rifle to fight back with takes an unbelievable amount of courage, im sure you'd agree?

Im pretty sure no-one in this forum could manage that

i'm not sure about beslan specifically, but this litvinenko (the russian spy) case has some really interesting allegations re: chechnian terrorism.
if true, some of these terrorist attacks that have been attributed to the chechnians, were actually carried out by the russian secret police.
here's a thread with some of the info:
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-af...-chechnya.html (Litvinenko, Terrorism & Chechnya)
i don't know if the truth will ever come out.

Originally Posted by Chechnya

Shamil Basayev is a hero

Shamil Basayev was, and forever will be, a piece of garbage that attacked and killed civilians, including hundreds of children.

Originally Posted by Chechnya

Just proved my point - you are only willing to talk about non-muslim children and not the crimes which are carried out by western nations.

Start a thread about the killing of children anywhere else, and you will find out what I think about the killing of kids anywhere. This thread is about Beslan, and the pig's that killed children there.

Originally Posted by snakelegs

i'm not sure about beslan specifically, but this litvinenko (the russian spy) case has some really interesting allegations re: chechnian terrorism.
if true, some of these terrorist attacks that have been attributed to the chechnians, were actually carried out by the russian secret police.
here's a thread with some of the info:
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-af...-chechnya.html (Litvinenko, Terrorism & Chechnya)
i don't know if the truth will ever come out.

litvinenko has been proven to have been somewhat of a nutcase. He made many outrageous claims including that he had video of Putin engaged in homosexual sex.

Shamil Basayev was, and forever will be, a piece of garbage that attacked and killed civilians, including hundreds of children.

Sure he will mate

Carry on taking the pills

Start a thread about the killing of children anywhere else, and you will find out what I think about the killing of kids anywhere. This thread is about Beslan, and the pig's that killed children there

Your casual side-step of the questions asked leads me to think that you believe in some cases it is OK for children to be killed.

I.e if children are killed in Kabul or Baghdad because of ariel bombardment - im sure you would put a different spin on it - am i correct or am i correct?

So it seems after all this arguing and wasting of my time - you do believe children can be killed in war but for you it is the manner of their death

Originally Posted by SilentObserver

Start a thread about the killing of children anywhere else, and you will find out what I think about the killing of kids anywhere. This thread is about Beslan, and the pig's that killed children there.

topic 13 year old Palestianian schoolgirl "riddled with bullets" by IDF

your first reply

Originally Posted by SilentObserver

This happened over two years ago. Isn't the world affairs section for current world affairs?

funny how passionate you are about an incident that involved non muslim kids evendo it happened 2 years ago but don't show the same passion when it involves muslim kids because it happened 2 years ago

hmmm....

Originally Posted by SilentObserver

litvinenko has been proven to have been somewhat of a nutcase. He made many outrageous claims including that he had video of Putin engaged in homosexual sex.

i haven't seen anything about this case for awhile. do you have any links?
i'd appreciate.

Originally Posted by AHMED_GUREY

Start a thread about the killing of children anywhere else, and you will find out what I think about the killing of kids anywhere. This thread is about Beslan, and the pig's that killed children there.

topic 13 year old Palestianian schoolgirl "riddled with bullets" by IDF

your first reply

This happened over two years ago. Isn't the world affairs section for current world affairs?

funny how passionate you are about an incident that involved non muslim kids evendo it happened 2 years ago but don't show the same passion when it involves muslim kids because it happened 2 years ago

hmmm....

Nice try. But any person with intelligence can see the difference in situations. The purpose of the schoolgirl thread was not anyone defending child murderers, it was the tired old routine of anti-sematic, "look at the horrible jews" that gets played too often here.

This thread's purpose was to defend the intentional terrorizing of children. The purpose of this thread is deplorable.
There is an obvious difference between the purpose of both threads, and both were responded to accordingly.

In the other thread, I was asked if I felt sorry for the girl. I responded no, that I felt sorry for her mother. The girl is in a better place than us now.

Now, if I had been asked specifically in the other thread what I thought about a soldier emptying his clip into a girl at close range, I would have said something like the following; "If the witness account is correct that the soldier did this, then he is a worthless piece of garbage just like Shamil Basayev. The both of them can burn in hell.

Originally Posted by SilentObserver

Nice try. But any person with intelligence can see the difference in situations.

Translation : when stating on this thread that i was a neutral person when it came to discussing atrocities committed on kids i totally forgot about this old reply i made wich showed my true colors

the lack of interest from your side regarding that incident speaks for itself!

The purpose of the schoolgirl thread was not anyone defending child murderers, it was the tired old routine of anti-sematic,

members that highlight what's happening to their people are anti-semetic?

do you understand a words meaning before you utter it? do you even know the difference between a semite and non semite? arabs speak a semitic language they are semites, so how can LI members who put out news reports that state facts where innocent Falistinians are killed by IDF be acussed of being anti-semetic when the victims there reporting about are semites themselves ?

it's bassicly an oxymoron

again you exposed your inability to defend your ''cold'' reply from an earlier topic where mysteriously this heated passion for children was nowhere to be seen and now your blaming it on your prejudged inaccurate claim of everything posted by members who are concerned with their fellow muslim brothers and sisters as a silly anti-semitic routine and therefore we should all take your example and reply in that manner right?

Read the old thread again fruitcake. Why would I feel sorry for the girl? She's moved on, while we are all stuck here. I don't feel sorry for her, I envy her.

I don't need to defend what I said, there was nothing wrong with it. And if asked again, I would reply the same.

Your foolish attempt to portray me as someone that condones the killing of children, can easily be shown to be a fool's mumbling by a simple search of my past posts.

I am against violence toward any children, anywhere. Always have been. Always will be. Children are innocent. "freedom fighters" (a.k.a. cowardly losers) that take them hostage, should be fed to their brethern, the pigs.

Originally Posted by AHMED_GUREY

Translation : when stating on this thread that i was a neutral person when it came to discussing atrocities committed on kids i totally forgot about this old reply i made wich showed my true colors

That's quite stupid, really. I don't need to bother remembering my old posts, because my opinion will not have changed on such an obvious topic. And you are right, it did show my true colors, and they are still the same; Victimizing children is wrong, and those that do are worthless pigs.

If you lack the capacity to understand the meaning of my post in another thread, I can't help you. If you didn't get it then, it is unlikely you will get it now.

Originally Posted by SilentObserver

Read the old thread again fruitcake.

cakes aside

Originally Posted by Chechnya
Just proved my point - you are only willing to talk about non-muslim children and not the crimes which are carried out by western nations.

you

Start a thread about the killing of children anywhere else, and you will find out what I think about the killing of kids anywhere. This thread is about Beslan, and the pig's that killed children there.

with this reply you ''dare'' chechnya to highlight the atrocities committed on children from different regions by starting a different topic and you would show the same passionate love you have for other kids from different backgrounds than the ones from Beslan your currently are showing it to but i bassicly showed you that isn't necessary because..

A your reply on a old topic was evidence enough of wich children you value most and wich you simply value less!

B you then shot yourself in the foot when you exposed your reason behind the old palistinian topic ''post'' by coming with the acussation of LI members having a anti-semitic routine and therefore we should all look at wether these incidents were current if not reply and inquire why they are posted in the first place and simply not care about the highlighted atrocity

Why would I feel sorry for the girl?

you don't feel sorry for people who go through injustice?

what sparked your animal calling if that's not it?

She's moved on

but the injustice continues

Your foolish attempt to portray me as someone that condones the killing of children, can easily be shown to be a fool's mumbling by a simple search of my past posts.

lol that's interesting considering the fact i never tried to portray you as someone that ''condones'' violence on children the misinterpreting of my post by you is not my fault i simply highlighted the lack of interest from your side simple as that

I am against violence toward any children, anywhere. Always have been. Always will be. Children are innocent.

that's good

"freedom fighters" (a.k.a. cowardly losers) that take them hostage, should be fed to their brethern, the pigs.

Russians aren't freedom fighters so you need to expand that category!

Clearly you either choose to misrepresent my words, or you lack the capacity to see otherwise.
It would seem that if you simply choose to misrepresent my words, then you are only interested in one thing. Winning an arguement. There is no benefit to either of us in this. Winning an arguement based on untruths is a shallow victory. It does not mean you have proven anything, only that you won a contest.
Interestingly enough, you made a post very much like the one of mine that you are obsessed with.

Originally Posted by AHMED_GUREY

baby is going to Jannah insha-allah

sometimes i really dislike this world to the point where i really hope and wish for Jugdement day to arrive and it's game over for everybody

i feel sad for the mother something bad must have presured her

:

It's no different then your post here, in a thread about a baby thrown into the toilet by it's mother. You didn't say you felt sorry for the baby, you said it's gone to Jannah. In fact you also said you felt sorry for the mother. Both opinions, just like mine. I also eluded to something you said here without saying it;

sometimes i really dislike this world to the point where i really hope and wish for Jugdement day to arrive and it's game over for everybody

when I said;

The girl is in a better place than us now.

Whether you want to admit it or not, you are trying to expose a fault in my thinking where there is none. In fact, you and I responded almost identically, in both our posts. Perhaps there is something about your own thinking that you dislike?

A your reply on a old topic was evidence enough of wich children you value most and wich you simply value less!

B you then shot yourself in the foot when you exposed your reason behind the old palistinian topic ''post'' by coming with the acussation of LI members having a anti-semitic routine and therefore we should all look at wether these incidents were current if not reply and inquire why they are posted in the first place and simply not care about the highlighted atrocity

Again, read carefully here. The purpose of this thread was to defend child murderers. That is repulsive, of course I would speak up. The purpose of the other thread was only to spread more anger and hate towards people from Israel. I oppose such hatemongering, and made my statement accordingly.

you don't feel sorry for people who go through injustice?

While they are alive, yes, very much so. After they are dead, no. I then shift my sympathies to the family they leave behind. The dead (if they are children) have moved on to a better place.

i simply highlighted the lack of interest from your side simple as that

You seem to have misinterpreted my anger toward hatemongering, as a lack of interest for the killing of innocent people. I tackled the more important issue that was at hand, the member that started that thread(who is now banned), was only hate mongering. Consistent with his behaviour up to that point.

We can easily turn this upside down if you like. You accuse me of being indifferent toward palestinian children being killed(which I assure you I am not, I want to explode whenever I see images of any children harmed in war ).
I think that you are indifferent to the killing of nonmuslim children. You are so quick to defend the muslims of the world, that you couldn't care less about the children that they harm. 'Just a bunch of kafir children anyway. At least they were not muslim children.' You were so quick to prove me wrong. Not a word about the children that were killed. All you care about is proving the kafir wrong. Shows your true colors.
You oppose me so passionately, if only you had one ounce of compassion left to spare for the children that suffered. But not a word about them. You showed where your priorities are, just prove the kafir wrong.