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| Full Member Status: Offline Posts: 263 Reputation: 1036 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: Feb 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Salam alaykum I want to talk about this topic because there are many muslims i know who slander and spread hate against the Chechen fighters and people because of this one event. Most of these people talk rubbish since they have no idea what actually happened and are only repeating the kafir media propaganda. Firstly why did it happen. The answer to this can be seen in the first war . During the first war Chechen commander Shamil Basayev led a hostage-taking of a hospital in the town of Buddenyvosk. From this hostage-taking , the Mujahideen were able to secure a small ceasefire which was they used to regroup and - led again by Shamil Basayev - attacked and recaptured their main cities thereby forcing the russians out and ending the war and the genocide of their people. In the Buddenyvosk operation the Mujahideen did not kill the hostages. This was also the intention of Beslan. They did not go their to kill children but to stop the genocide of their people and liberate them. Another interesting point the western media fail to mention is that a few months before Beslan , Shamil Basayev (who was behind Beslan) offered to obey international law IF the russians did the same and stop the slaughter of Chechen civilians: If president of Russia Putin makes an official statement that he pledges to strictly comply with the international law in the solution of the Russian-Chechen armed conflict, we will stop all subversive activities and acts of sabotage against unarmed civilians on the territory of Russia (there are no peaceful civilians in Russia), except for special military operations against the military and secret services in the places where they are deployed. We can even give that up as well. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chechnya-sl/message/35479 The russians could have avoided Beslan by obeying their own laws but instead they ignored the offer and continued with their genocide. In his interview after Beslan , Shamil Basayev offered to go on trial for Beslan even though the deaths of the children came about from the russians attacking the building. Here are a couple of survivors from Beslan : Quote:
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chechnya-sl/message/44874 This shows who was firing on the children. To all the people who claim Shamil Basayev is a "child-killer" , "terrorist" etc. : What kind of terrorist expresses regret at what happened , offers to go on trial and has many times offered to observe international law?? He must be the worst "terrorist" around. Also talking of children and terrorists , it is the russian terrorists who have wiped out 40,000 muslim children and still counting. It is the russians who are carrying out the genocide of a nation , it is the russians who have wiped out a quarter of the population of Chechnya. Many muslims also claim that through Beslan , the Chechen people and Mujahideen have lost public opinion in the west. Before Beslan the Mujahideen must have thought they have two options: 1) Continue the fight as it is , let 40,000 more Chechen children but keep decent public opinion in the west or 2) Do something radical to stop the genocide of the women , the children and the elderly but in the process lose public opinion. To this the only answer can be : what has public opinion done for the Chechens in the past? Has it stopped the destruction of cities and towns? Has it stopped the rape camps where our sisters are abused and tortured? Has it prevented the deaths of 40,000 Chechen children? Has it stopped the genocide? These questions answer themselves. I have not justified the deaths of the people in Beslan - there isnt a justification which is also why Shamil Basayev has offered to go on trial- but explained what happened and why. I want to end in Shamil Basayevs own words which show the hypocrisy of the world : "The Russians have been holding the entire Chechen people hostage for five years and nothing happened. We held 1,000 people hostage only for three days to stop the genocide of the Chechen people, and the whole world is shocked. What is this if not hypocrisy? . . | ||
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| Full Member Status: Offline Posts: 263 Reputation: 1036 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: Feb 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Salam This article is copy and pasted from another forum. It is written by a brother who has alot of knowledge also on the whole situation. |
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| Full Member Status: Offline Posts: 471 Reputation: 1425 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: Jan 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Hindu | Quote:
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| IB Oldskool Status: Offline Posts: 8,459 Reputation: 22729 Rep Power: 61 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Penang Island, Malaysia Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Why school in Beslan? Now those schoolchildrens surviving the act became even more anti Islam and anti Chechen. |
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| Full Member Status: Offline Posts: 471 Reputation: 1425 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: Jan 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Hindu | Quote:
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| Full Member Status: Offline Posts: 70 Reputation: 20 Rep Power: 25 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wroclaw, Poland Gender: Way of Life: Atheist | I'm not muslim but I think, that if Allah exist he will terrible punish these animals who killed children. Killing children is the most evil thing ever! |
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| Limited Member Status: Offline Posts: 7 Reputation: 15 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Feb 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Agnostic | Smok I agree, no true soldiers involve children in a straight-up fight, even if the other side (the russians) lower themselves to such depths of cowardice, copying such actions is reprehensible, and not worthy of any religion or warrior code. The Chechen freedom fighters had the moral high ground, and widespread international support until Beslan and the theatre siege in Moscow, now the international community see's them as terrorists and not freedom fighters, which is a pity, as the Russians deserve to be driven from all occupied lands. Jez |
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| Full Member Status: Offline Posts: 70 Reputation: 20 Rep Power: 25 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wroclaw, Poland Gender: Way of Life: Atheist | Yes - I support all freedom fighters. But only if they fight against soldiers not agains civilians or kids. Real warrior don't hurt innocent and unarmed people. Only coward do this. |
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| Jewel of LI Status: Offline Posts: 5,164 Reputation: 15118 Rep Power: 55 Join Date: Dec 2004 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Agreed.
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| IB Oldskool Status: Offline Posts: 8,459 Reputation: 22729 Rep Power: 61 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Penang Island, Malaysia Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | If the Chechens are not coward people go and attack russian soldiers ONLY in their barracks or camps. Not children or civilians in schools, theatres etc. |
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| LI pRInCe Status: Offline Posts: 907 Reputation: 328 Rep Power: 25 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah." [Qur’aan 4:80] Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Salam Alakum Brother... Just Wanted To Say Alot Of Ppl Here Do Not Think Badly Of Chech..infact We Wish All The Brothers In Sisters To Stay Strong And Be Paitent...with Every Hardship Comes Ease....inshallah ... May Allah(swt) Help You All And Guide You... Salam Alakum |
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| Full Member Status: Offline Posts: 474 Reputation: 373 Rep Power: 20 Join Date: Nov 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Undisclosed | There is no justification for this cowardly act. These pigs will roast in hell for what they did to those children. |
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