Man Knuckles, everytime i beat you in a arguement you jump to another one. Did i ever say the taliban was Heaven for the afghan people? Dont put words in my mouth. I could say The Afghan people wanted the taliban in the beginning, how do you think they started? They didnt force theyre way in, They were wanted in to bring security. Like everything else some elements are good some are bad. Im not going to say all the taliban were GREAT there were some bad fellas. But thats in every society. Just look at BUSH!

you have to understand some of the issues isnt what you see on the News or internet. Different perspectives. The majority of perspectives you get are from hazaris, tajiks and kabuls. Not much from Poshtuns That suffer the most

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I am very aware of the one-sidedness of most stories, I spend alot of time trying to find different views, that is why I am talking to you now! LOL! Yes I go to CNN, but also BBC, CBC, AFP,INA, and try to seek out local newspapers if possible on the net for the area the story comes from. And I read in forums, and blogs.

ok read aop news for afghanistan. Thats a good source not true source for instance the video on CBS of the taliban burning the schools. There is no way those men were taliban i know it and others too. The taliban wont run away like in the video they would stand and fight back. Its so sad what CBS is trying to do and its so funny how the video dissapeared from the news in 1 day

Originally Posted by mahdisoldier19

ok read aop news for afghanistan. Thats a good source not true source for instance the video on CBS of the taliban burning the schools. There is no way those men were taliban i know it and others too. The taliban wont run away like in the video they would stand and fight back. Its so sad what CBS is trying to do and its so funny how the video dissapeared from the news in 1 day

Like the leader of the Taliban when the US forces was on him right . The man is still on the run.

The man is still on the run? Another topic you have? You just dont quit being an idiotic person and embarresing yourself on this board dont you? For your information that man is In Control of Waziriastan. No one was able to control that area between afghanistan and pakistan but the Talibs currently do.

Gurfateh!

Afganistan used to be a country where honour was very important it was prized above all else but today we see honour being displaced by ego, change is being equated with america and all conspiracy theories give birth to a religion of superstition not Islam, and it is this attitude which cause men to recreate a long gone genre because people are living in the memory of the glorious past which can NEVER be revived but it is the stubborness of the people which will have to be challenged if any progress is going to be made and I am not talking from what I read in the newspaper, my grandfather was stationed in the NWFP and new the psyche of the people of that region very well, I agree though that times have changed since then.

There is no excuse for blowing the statues up in afganistan, there are plenty of people starving in India but that does not mean the babri masjid was attacked because it was taking money away from the people of India, the reason for the demolishon is religion and religion alone any attempt to condone these acts are people protecting their own egos when they know they have done something wrong. If the people of afganistan are needing support then they should ask for it from others, did islam not teach humilty?, Taliban brought primarily fear not security and indirectly fear brought security but ultimately this same fear also brought the destruction of the taliban. When azadi comes to a country such as afganistan then people deliberately rape and loot on purpose because they fear the evolution of society will bring question to the righteousness with which the country had been ruled throughout history.

Further on someone also says that it is ok to destroy the idols because the prophet did this in mecca, with this mentality in my religion I can go out and kill 125000 people for every member of my faith who is killed. Afganistan needs investment in projects which will sustain their economy such as the use of biotechnology for crop diversification because unless we find a miraculous new invention for the poppy the economy of afganistan will not prosper.

Bhul chuk marf karni

ISDhillon

I dont know who you are but i can tell you dont know nothing about Afghanistan too.

How did the taliban start? Oh thats right 2 girls were raped and kidnapped by 10 men and 30 other mujahadeen led by a man named Mullah omar rescued the 2 girls and hung the 10 men. And yes there is excuse My excuse still stands and whatever you can come up with will not hold for the deaths of innocent children.

btw IN the beginning the taliban wanted the people, Yes they brought security. And btw did you ever talk to poshtun women right now? A growing number want the taliban back. I dont know what mentality your talking about killing 125,000 where did you get that from AKhi?>

Please Dont post on this thread when you know nothing about the country except for CNN POPPY Seeds and thats about it.

from what i've read - many afghans were ok with the taliban because the taliban solved the most pressing problem in the country at the time, which was security.
also, they have to be regarded in context of a very conservative society. so by my standards they were horrible, but an afghan might see it differently.

Listen Some of you people dont know anything about afghanistan, you just give smart answers to think its this and that. Only Malsidabym is probaly the only person that wants a legitment debate or arguement with true while the rest just talk from their behind. Please refrain from posting useless information in a topic in which you know nothing about.

so by my standards they were horrible, but an afghan might see it differently.

This is an important point. In the west we see things alot differently, and many think we are there now helping. And maybe even some afghans do too. But perhaps alot more afghans than we think don't want our help, from thier perspective perhaps things are fine.

"I dont know who you are but i can tell you dont know nothing about Afghanistan too."

This is true I know nothing about afganistan but I know plenty about the history and the people I know nothing about the 2 girls and the 10 men blah blah blah.

"And btw did you ever talk to poshtun women right now? A growing number want the taliban back."

This is known as social engineering, you send in thugs to mess with the society which portrays a societyin chaos people assume the reason for this is a deficit or change in power (different from what their used too) people then in fear think well we were better of before but don't realise it is these very same people who are sent in to screw with the society undercover. You will have to trust me when I say I know this happens.

"I dont know what mentality your talking about killing 125,000 where did you get that from AKhi?"

I dont know who akhi is, but the reason why I said this was cos I am sikh and their is a famous line from our guru which says "I pitch 1 man against 125000 and only then they call me gobind singh" I was trying to show that I can also take this statement radically and justify wrongdoings.

"Please Dont post on this thread when you know nothing about the country except for CNN POPPY Seeds and thats about it"

Please dont tell me what I can and cant do thanks.

ISDhillon

Oh Trust me if you were near me you would know what is going on. So i dont want to bring anything personal but if you dont know anything about Afghanistan i will repeat it, Dont Post because your putting up nonsense.

Let me tell you an Afghan Saying

When you speak , speak only truth when it will make a difference, dont speak when it wont make a difference and spread only falsehood.

And I welcome you to this board but on my view i dont follow Sikh Lines, i Follow Islamic Lines

Its obvious that you should study more not just from wikipedia or cnn.

As for the thugs? What thugs those thugs were funded by the US GOVT to fight off an invasion by a soviet superpower. and you call them thugs? I dont know what to tell you except that i feel sorry for you

Satsriakal Mahdisoldier Ji

"Oh Trust me if you were near me you would know what is going on."

What do you mean by this statement?

"Dont Post because your putting up nonsense."

Its not nonsense.

"When you speak , speak only truth when it will make a difference, dont speak when it wont make a difference and spread only falsehood."

I disagree with this statement, tell whats right at all times even if it gets you killed say it and be brash about it once you sacrifice on the alter of whats right then people will learn by example and verily death will become scared of the you, rather than lying to protect your life.

"and I welcome you to this board but on my view i dont follow Sikh Lines, i Follow Islamic Lines"

thats fine but you wanted to know why i wrote that statement in my prior message you can follow what lines you want as long as it does not involve infringing on others including the historical artefacts of other faiths.

"Its obvious that you should study more not just from wikipedia or cnn. "

its obvious that you need to be taught some manners.

"As for the thugs? What thugs those thugs were funded by the US GOVT to fight off an invasion by a soviet superpower. and you call them thugs? I dont know what to tell you except that i feel sorry for you"

This is your typical logic you take what I have said out of context and get yourself more confused because your more content with confrontation than meaningful dialogue, what are you going to teach anyone I suggest you keep silent.:rant:


ISDhillon

woah HeiGou....nothing but sand and beautiful mountains???? i think im gonna have to agree with mahdisoldier and say that u should go there before saying stuff(srry if i didnt quote that correctly mahdi)
that was very offending....im afghan and ive met alot of stupid ppl who say the stupidest things but that was one of the most offending
about the whole taliban blowing up the statues, i have to agree with whoever said, since they were worshipped they should have been destroyed(srry not enough time to go back and check who said that) those statues were of no significance to afghanistan so who cares if they blew them up???
and yah alot of pushtun ppl do want the taliban back and they did provide alot of security
there were still ppl stealing stuff but it was ALOT less than now
the last time i went to afghanistan(2004) everyone was so afraid when wed be coming home late cause of theives and that they might stop the car and take our stuff but back in 2000 when i went that was never an issue, if i remember correctly no one was out that late anyways
and in jalalabd there wasnt even a real police force back in 2004 under karzais leadership:rant:
i wish i had followed up on this thread but i thought itd be over since they are letting him go.
mahdisoldier i strongly agree with u that the world should be more informed on the pushtuns views cause thats something that is very important but unfortunetly we hear the views of the other ethnic groups alot more

I rather Follow the belief of a Poshtun then the belief of a Sikh or someone who has never been to afghanistan. Also from my experience in Paktia , Khost.