Originally Posted by knuckles

Look I'm tired of being accused of starting trouble when all I'm doing is showing an opposing view. If I wanted to start trouble I could say and post things a lot worst.

Ok. I apologise.

Originally Posted by HeiGou

I can see why you might think that. Actually it has been a fairly interesting discussion of the law as it applies to apostates and what most Muslims think about it. No doubt it also stirred up trouble, but it certainly promoted a lot of discussion.

As long as it stays civil and doesn't degenerate like umpteen other threads, I'm okay with it I guess.

I dont understand why Christians would object to this when they have the same ruling in their religion. So do the Jews.

Originally Posted by Cheb

I dont understand why Christians would object to this when they have the same ruling in their religion. So do the Jews.

Really? Where does it say that in the New Testament?

Love the sig by the way. Canada?

Originally Posted by Cheb

I dont understand why Christians would object to this when they have the same ruling in their religion. So do the Jews.

Maybe but they dont enforce it now do they (times have changed)

Apparently you can only kill a welsh man with a bow and arrow on a Saturday (or something like that) according to British law (again times change)!

Originally Posted by j4763

Apparently you can only kill a welsh man with a bow and arrow on a Saturday (or something like that) according to British law (again times change)!

Really? Did anyone tell the English Rugby team this? I feel they needed to know!

Originally Posted by HeiGou

Really? Did anyone tell the English Rugby team this? I feel they needed to know!

Well its something like that. There are many outdated laws in Britain which are still laws but arn't enforced. At the time of the law maybe it was seen a relevant but now many of them are just stupid!

But secular and religious ruling are completely different. As Muslims we strongly feel that we have to hold onto our way of life for all times. It is not changing from time to time. For example, 100 years ago homosexuality was shunned in the west. Who knows, maybe paedophiles will be accepted too aslong as the child agrees to it. I'd rather stick to Islam, not what society feels is right at the moment.

Originally Posted by ~Mu'MiNaH~

But secular and religious ruling are completely different. As Muslims we strongly feel that we have to hold onto our way of life for all times. It is not changing from time to time. For example, 100 years ago homosexuality was shunned in the west. Who knows, maybe paedophiles will be accepted too aslong as the child agrees to it. I'd rather stick to Islam, not what society feels is right at the moment.

Well maybe we will all become Muslims and then there will be no pedophiles. Who knows?

I agree that secular and religious rules are different. But even Muslims have had to supplement their religious law with secular regulations. Even when they have not, they have tended to change with the times, but claim that Islam is the same, it is just that their interpretation, now, is the right one. You can see this in many issues such as whether the Caliph has to be a Quraysh, whether Islam supports women's rights, whether it says the Earth goes around the Sun and so on. The fact is you cannot escape your culture and your culture shapes the way you interpret your religion.

I tend to agree with you about religion. I think that the West has gone wrong somewhere and a Rock to anchor my Faith on would be a good thing. But I do not see that I need to impose that on others, nor that it would be the best guide for society as a whole. And as yet I have not found a suitable Rock I am afraid. Yet Western society goes on. Pretty well for most people.

Originally Posted by HeiGou

Really? Where does it say that in the New Testament?

Not sure if they apply it today. Christianity has the habit of changing its teachings to make it "look" better in its time. In Islam we just stick to what our prophet (pbuh) taught us.

Originally Posted by HeiGou

Love the sig by the way. Canada?

Thanks ;). It is actually a Forest fire in Montana. I cant stop looking at it, even though it is suppose to be chaotic in reality, the two dears in that river/lake just give the whole picture a sense of peace. I was going to write something but then decided the pic is good enough alone

Originally Posted by j4763

Most of Fight&Die4Allah's threads could be classed the same

Salaam

Leave him out of this, can't you add to the discussion instead of talking about other members behind their backs.

Please leave fightanddieAllah alone. If you have a problem with him then you have a problem with me. He is as you say showing his "Opposing view" against people who discredit and harm innocent muslims. So i dont see anything wrong with him. For people who say what the crusader did to the muslims was hundreds of years ago big deal. FOR YOU its not a big deal. But for Muslims we will never forget what was brought upon us. And please do not argue with Islamic principals because me being once a christian that says Turn your left cheek. No one besides the Pope would ever turn their left cheek. No one that I KNOW OF. So what i will do is go to a Christians home and slap him a few times and see if he turns his other cheek. Chances are He wont.

I found this interesting article of Christians being put to death when convertin to Judaism. Hmmm how come no one talks about this? But when 1 man is ALLEGADLY not 100 percent but alleged. Everyone goes crazy?

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache...s&ct=clnk&cd=4

Assalamu alaikum

i am rather confused with the penalty for converting from Islam. I don't see why there is a difference in opinion..From what i was taught, Islam is okey with religious freedom.

Ma'assalama

Originally Posted by Michael Samuel

While I agree that one should abide by the law of one's land, what does one do when the laws of the land conflict with the truth God has imprinted on one's heart?
Why should an individual be punished for following Christ?
In the Book of Daniel in the Bible, Daniel refused to obey a decree that he worship the king instead of God (Chapter 6). Daniel knew that he risked terrible punishment, but he knew where his line of dependence was — with God. Daniel chose to obey God, and when the king sought to punish him, God saved Daniel.
I don't know what will happen to this Afghan man who faces charges. I don't know if he will be saved. But the "easy" route would have been for him to live a lie and continue to tell his family he was a follower of Islam. For him to risk death means he is either delusional or a true believer in Christ Jesus. One would find it hard to name another reasonable alternative, since few men would die for something they believe is a lie.

See the thing is this man is choosing to go against the truth of Allah that should be imprinted on his heart. He isn't being punished for following Jesus (saws), all Muslim follow the teachings of Jesus (saws), cause he taught to worship The One God with out any partners. Instead this man has forsaked that and left the Truth of Allah and decided to worship a man instead, and that's just sick.

Well if you put it that way then yeah.

Originally Posted by j4763

Most of Fight&Die4Allah's threads could be classed the same

What the….I just happened to be browsing this thread and I saw my username and was like where did this come from? What do u mean my threads could be classed the same? could u elaborate? what do u have a problem with?…what I post in this section is from news websites, I don’t write the articles so what do u exactly mean by saying that. I bring the truth if you don’t like it, don’t read it…and if you can’t handle my threads I suggest you stay out of them then! Simple as that…if you can’t handle this forum, then leave. I’ll post what I like as long as they comply with the rules; just because you or anyone else don’t agree with it doesn’t mean I should stop posting them..