Peace to those who follow righteous guidance
Like i have said before on other threads, you're either a muslim or a kafir. There's NO MIDDLE GROUND. There is no such thing as a moderate muslim or an extremist muslim. Given the choice, i would rather be classed as an extremist. For i see the 'moderates' as un-practising hypocrites. But thats just me. Maybe its the environment i was educated in, but thats another issue. i dont care if people call be an extremist, because i dont have anything to prove to anyone
Peace

Originally Posted by mizan_aliashraf

Peace to those who follow righteous guidance
Like i have said before on other threads, you're either a muslim or a kafir. There's NO MIDDLE GROUND. There is no such thing as a moderate muslim or an extremist muslim. Given the choice, i would rather be classed as an extremist. For i see the 'moderates' as un-practising hypocrites. But thats just me. Maybe its the environment i was educated in, but thats another issue. i dont care if people call be an extremist, because i dont have anything to prove to anyone
Peace

Exactly. Agree with you 100% there bro.

salam
mashallah bro mizan well said and true
wasalam

Originally Posted by mizan_aliashraf

Like i have said before on other threads, you're either a muslim or a kafir. There's NO MIDDLE GROUND. There is no such thing as a moderate muslim or an extremist muslim. Given the choice, i would rather be classed as an extremist. For i see the 'moderates' as un-practising hypocrites. But thats just me. Maybe its the environment i was educated in, but thats another issue. i dont care if people call be an extremist, because i dont have anything to prove to anyone

Surely there is another category too - the extremists who have gone so far in their extremism they are not part of the community any more. The Kharijis would not accept the authority of Ali or Muawiya. Did they remain Muslims? Surely you can accept that some Muslims, and I shall name no names for fear of the thread being closed, can adopt such an odd interpretation of Islam they are not members of the community anymore without actually committing shirk?

But I agree there seems to be no middle ground.

Originally Posted by Abrar

look uh ...I feel sorry for her.I just don't take her seriously and her allegations.

By all means don't take her seriously, but how can you not take even one of her allegations seriously? You reject everything she said? Why?

i have the video clip to this if anyone is interested in watching, i am not sure if i will be allowed to post it though

Originally Posted by HeiGou

Surely there is another category too - the extremists who have gone so far in their extremism they are not part of the community any more. The Kharijis would not accept the authority of Ali or Muawiya. Did they remain Muslims? Surely you can accept that some Muslims, and I shall name no names for fear of the thread being closed, can adopt such an odd interpretation of Islam they are not members of the community anymore without actually committing shirk?

But I agree there seems to be no middle ground.

Peace
I do agree with you there. There are muslims who have taken some aspects of islam to the extremes, but at the end of the day they are still our brothers and sisters in faith so we should not go around labelling them as fanatics/extremists/terrorists but instead pray for their guidance. I am saying this as a muslim who has also fallen into this category. i cannot walk down the street without people giving me a second look. I seem to attract too much attention in central london, and for all the wrong reasons. I dont know, maybe its me. Maybe i havent embraced the 21st century as i should have, but who cares?

I think it's possible to be a moderate muslim, moderate christian, or moderate anything else you wish to be. Everyone interprets their religion differently. Just because some people choose to interpret their religion different than the majority, does not mean they are not a member of a particular faith.

Originally Posted by renak

I think it's possible to be a moderate muslim, moderate christian, or moderate anything else you wish to be. Everyone interprets their religion differently. Just because some people choose to interpret their religion different than the majority, does not mean they are not a member of a particular faith.

Its not a question of how you interpret your religion. Being a moderate normally indicates that you just the follow the basic principles of a concept be it a religion or anything for that matter. In islam its not enough to be a part-time muslim. You either are in or out. Its that simple.

true^

Originally Posted by mizan_aliashraf

Its not a question of how you interpret your religion. Being a moderate normally indicates that you just the follow the basic principles of a concept be it a religion or anything for that matter. In islam its not enough to be a part-time muslim. You either are in or out. Its that simple.

Either in or out? If that were the case, you wouldn't have different Islamic sects.

Originally Posted by mizan_aliashraf

Peace to those who follow righteous guidance
Like i have said before on other threads, you're either a muslim or a kafir. There's NO MIDDLE GROUND. There is no such thing as a moderate muslim or an extremist muslim. Given the choice, i would rather be classed as an extremist. For i see the 'moderates' as un-practising hypocrites. But thats just me. Maybe its the environment i was educated in, but thats another issue. i dont care if people call be an extremist, because i dont have anything to prove to anyone
Peace

It is interesting the use of this word "kafir", I take it to mean "infidel" or "nonbeliever in my faith". This is a type of word that is used in reference from a persons own perspective. From a christians point of view, you would be the kafir.
Christians commonly use the word infidel as well. Again, it would be a matter of one's own perspective.
Peace.

Originally Posted by renak

Either in or out? If that were the case, you wouldn't have different Islamic sects.

No... that isn't what he means.:sister:

Salam
The last thing i want to do is divide the muslims any more than they are already divided, but we should consider ourselves as muslims full stop. Not 'moderates' or 'extremists'. I definitely know what class i would into if it was somebody else classing people
Wassalam

Originally Posted by mizan_aliashraf

Like i have said before on other threads, you're either a muslim or a kafir. There's NO MIDDLE GROUND. There is no such thing as a moderate muslim or an extremist muslim. Given the choice, i would rather be classed as an extremist. For i see the 'moderates' as un-practising hypocrites. But thats just me. Maybe its the environment i was educated in, but thats another issue. i dont care if people call be an extremist, because i dont have anything to prove to anyone

Well to carry on a little further, surely you can accept that there is a limited diversity of opinion in the Muslim community that is acceptable? I mean, even in the days of the Rashiddun the Muslims could not agree on who should be Caliph. But that didn't, surely?, mean they ceased to be Muslims just because they supported Ali or Muawiya or someone else? Take the issue that was raised the other day of whether you need your parents' permission to marry. Three schools of Sunni law say you do, one says you do not. Surely all parties are still Muslims? Even within schools, traditionally, you had a range of opinions about what was acceptable or not?

The question is, I would have thought, how far that diversity goes and more importantly, the motivation behind it - if someone comes up with a different opinion, even a very different opinion, based on as genuine attempt to follow God's law, in my opinion for however little it counts, they are better Muslims than someone who comes up with a mildly different opinion based on an effort to please Westerners. Take Ghazali who compared marriage to slavery. Was he a Muslim? I think so. Take some Western-based Muslim scholars who say that the Quran does not allow wife to be beaten? Well the problem is judging intent but I have my own views and luckily I am not a Muslim so I can say that.