Salaam,

In light of this,you can see in that way or in another..

We can say that this reinforces the need for the muslim in that country to awaken and live thier life menaigfully.

the Imam is sayin do not take silence as a guard but rahter take step to be outwardly and protect and serve justice as Islam teaches.


If the indignation you feel is rampant amongst the people there or in your community then do dierect your resentment into a positive channel.

As the Imam say,Bring up your children and your friends and lvoed one in an Islamic way...

Ummm where did it mention Muslims? They said the thought the guys were of North African descent. There are others in North Africa than Muslims.

Always merry and sweet as usual aint ya Knuckles :okay:

Just pointing out that they were implying more than the article was saying

Killing a guy for an mp3 player? Yikes! I'd better tuck mine away. How can someone be so barbaric as to kill someone for something as stupid as that?

Na'udhubillah!

I dont see whats the BIG problem. I mean a Iman told the followers that IF thye knew anything then they should come forward this doesnt imply that the Murders were Muslim it could mean that the Muslims youth MIGHT know something..

I seriously dont get the point of this thread ...

i was just condemning it sis.

No sis i wasnt talking about you just general this thread it dont make sense to me i agree with you what a shame to loose a life beacuse of a MP3 player

Oh ok cool. Yeah, whoever did i pray that they repent and return to Allah Ta'ala.

Well I dont understand why you cant see the point.

Muslim minorities are stereotyped in Europe. They are either terrorists or bandits. They are biased against Muslims not because Muslims are terrorists and bandits, they are biased because Muslims are "the others".

When such events occur their fingers directly shows Muslims. That is understandable given their egocentric culture. But what I dont understand is why Muslims accept these claim without examining. Muslims started to see their fellow people from the eye of Europeans, which is a sign of slave mentality.

The imam's sermon has no problem in itself, but the reason it is given makes me sick. Muslims can go nowhere with this mentality.

No one said they were Muslim just that they thought they were North African. No muslim is being stereotyped.

I think that's the point of the thread. The fact that certain Muslims are so quick to point the finger at themselves, when really, it's not necessarily a Muslim who is at fault.

I'm not saying every single Muslim is a perfect being capable of doing no wrong. I'm just saying there does seem to be a tendency of some Muslims victimising/blaming themselves when the facts prove the opposite of their assumptions.

Bro i never meant to offend you. I live in the Uk and i know its not as bad as the rest of Europe Alhamdillah But Bro sometimes these things are soo common.

Like my community its now common as most robberies that are carried out are carried out by Black people that when something goes wrong we point the finger at that community. Now if they reacted the way the Imam above reacted that would be seen as good and can change peoples opinionn of them. Im not saying accept responsibilty But to atleat acknowledge that yes this maybe true and try to deal with it diplomatically then thats brillaint. And i mean the outcome of this was that the Muslims were not in the wrong But the way the Imam has dealt with this shows that we can take critisim and yet still be part of society and deal with these matters like adults

Thank you sis. I understand you. But I have objections.

Muslim minorities in the west needs rehabilitation (by themselves). But part of this rehabilitation needs standing upright and defending one's honour. Muslims children are easy prey to western culture, because they are not proud of their own culture, and because they do not see their parents stand fest.

So, the leaders of the Muslims community should have waited until the issue was clarified. Because everyone is innocent until the end of trial. This is a basic principle. Something which you should also keep in mind against black people, I think.