Well if the police shoot you dead, we'll tell them that it's a-okay by you. That's to any one who supports the shoot-to-kill policy!

Originally Posted by ~Mu'MiNaH~

Well if the police shoot you dead, we'll tell them that it's a-okay by you. That's to any one who supports the shoot-to-kill policy!

The fact remains terrorists have killed 56 people and wounded over 700 in Britain. Four more tried to do the same shortly after. The police have shot dead one man. Which is worse?

So we're comparing police to terrorists now? Don't they have the opposite role?

Originally Posted by ~Mu'MiNaH~

So we're comparing police to terrorists now? Don't they have the opposite role?

Well it beats calling them terrorists! But seriously, I think everyone would accept that what happened to Mr Ahmad was pretty awful and it is sad that he is sitting in jail. But the police need to protect us, well me, from terrorists. In this case Mr Ahmad was a suspected terrorist, the police took no chances. I do not see what is wrong with that in general terms. They do have an opposite role. The police need to concentrate on bad people who are guilty. Not like the terrorists who murder ordinary people who are innocent.

Still the bottom line remains, what else should the police have done? Had a cup of tea with his wife while he got ready?

In case you don't know, terrorists don't sleep with a bomb belt on. There's chance of it exploding while you sleep you see. That was totally unnecssary! The police may not be terrorists, but they did terrorise him. And i'm sure his wife would have been happy to make tea for them.

Originally Posted by ~Mu'MiNaH~

In case you don't know, terrorists don't sleep with a bomb belt on.

Never met a terrorist, I wouldn't know. They might for all I know. They might also keep a loaded gun under the pillow. When the police arrest dangerous people they tend to do so in numbers with vests and without knocking. I still see this as sensible and you have still not told me what the alternative might be.

That was totally unnecssary! The police may not be terrorists, but they did terrorise him.

No they did not. They scared him. They may have roughed him up a little. But their aim was to arrest, not scare. They had no political motives. Why was it totally unecessary?

And i'm sure his wife would have been happy to make tea for them.

I am sure she would but are you suggesting this is a sensible way of arresting terrorist suspects?

No, i'm just saying his wife is a nice lady. But let's forget about that for a second. The alternative would have been to just handcuff him after they were able to see his was no threat. I mean, wasn't smashing his head against the window enough to get the upper hand? Or did they have to beat the stuffing out of him too? WHAT PICTURES DID YOU SEE?
Because 'rough him up a little bit' isn't correct.

Originally Posted by ~Mu'MiNaH~

No, i'm just saying his wife is a nice lady. But let's forget about that for a second. The alternative would have been to just handcuff him after they were able to see his was no threat. I mean, wasn't smashing his head against the window enough to get the upper hand? Or did they have to beat the stuffing out of him too? WHAT PICTURES DID YOU SEE?
Because 'rough him up a little bit' isn't correct.

I haven't met his wife either but I'll take your word for it. How would they see that he was no threat without, oh I don't know, physically holding him down and searching him? I assume that after they physically held him down and searched him, they handcuffed him and let him walk out of his house. I assume that the smashing of his head against the window did an excellent job of giving the police the upper hand. But I assume they had a plan to deal with him (which probably went something like, smash the door down, all rush into the house screaming "Police! Get down on the floor", locating Mr Ahmad, throwing him to the floor as quickly as possible, searching him for weapons and explosives, handcuffing him etc etc). As far as I can see they did not beat the stuffing out of him. His injuries were to the side of his face (I guess the window and the floor) and his wrists (I'd say several large policemen twsiting them and force him to the ground). But he may have had other injuries I do not know about. I saw the pictures on cagedinmates.

Oh... you obviously haven't seen the pics i've seen! He had so many injuries all around his body. And i wonder how that urine got in his ears. And i wonder what pushing him down into prostration position and saying 'where's your God now?' has to do with anything? Yep, must have been part of the pre prepaired plan.

Originally Posted by ~Mu'MiNaH~

Oh... you obviously haven't seen the pics i've seen! He had so many injuries all around his body. And i wonder how that urine got in his ears. And i wonder what pushing him down into prostration position and saying 'where's your God now?' has to do with anything? Yep, must have been part of the pre prepaired plan.

Actually wasn't that blood that got into his heads (a blow to the head) and blood that got in his urine (a blow to the kidneys)? I know of no way urine can get into your ears although didn't someone have a thread on jinns doing that sort of thing? It must have been. I have no doubts that being arrested by the Anti-Terrorist Squad is a bruising experience. But I still have not heard of any viable alternatives - send him a text message and ask him to come by after lunch?

Ok, now who's making fun?
How about arrest him without beating the day lights out of him, and oh... get some real proof before you do that.

Originally Posted by ~Mu'MiNaH~

Ok, now who's making fun?
How about arrest him without beating the day lights out of him, and oh... get some real proof before you do that.

Well I wouldn't dare make fun of you! In an ideal world I would hope that the police did arrest people without beating them up. But if the people they arrest are suspected of being dangerous or resist arrest in any way, well, I feel bad for them, really I do, but I want them in a cell. And I can see how it must feel to be a young policeman going to a strange place to arrest someone who might be a terrorist. I'd be scared and aggressive too. Well I would have been when I was 24. What real proof? They have enough for a court in America. The UK government thinks it is enough to extradite him. It was enough to arrest him as well. Maybe he is not guilty. Maybe he is.

Well how many innocent men have been arrested before? I'm sure it's more than once.
And why when you were 24? Did something happen then?
I think these men need to do something about their testosterone levels.

Originally Posted by ~Mu'MiNaH~

Well how many innocent men have been arrested before? I'm sure it's more than once.

I am sure too. But it is still 56 dead people to the terrorists. One beaten up guy who may be innocent to the police.

And why when you were 24? Did something happen then?
I think these men need to do something about their testosterone levels.

I think your second sentence explains your first.

But we can keep going around and around on this. I think it is better to be safe than blown to pieces. You won't come up with any alternative. I suggest we drop it and get on with something productive?

Oh right... lol. Well i'm glad you are alot less aggresive now.
Ok, we can drop this if you want.
-Peace