Originally Posted by Tojo

They were freed weren't they? If the US was so bad why didn't they just keep them? Wouldn't the fact that they were freed suggest there is some type of filtering process?

nope, it just shows the goverment accuses anyone.

yeah right battlefield.
since when was Italy the battlefield?they took people from Cairo with no connection to the al-Qaida?They just wanted to show the world that they are doing something.They took innocents as well as those who were guilty.If they were terrorists why aren't they brought to trial?oh they will bring some and those detainees won't even be given lawyers.
yeah keep backing the US ,a lot more Americans and people from the west are also narrow minded.

how many Muslims have been kept prisoners in this war on terror?

Do you know anyone at Gitmo?

by any chance do you?

Originally Posted by islam-truth

nope, it just shows the goverment accuses anyone.

So are you saying the Tipton 3 shouldn't have been detain even though they were found on the battlefield? I'm sure everyone that is guilty readily admit they were shooting at US troops

Originally Posted by Emir Aziz

yeah right battlefield.
since when was Italy the battlefield?they took people from Cairo with no connection to the al-Qaida?They just wanted to show the world that they are doing something.They took innocents as well as those who were guilty.If they were terrorists why aren't they brought to trial?oh they will bring some and those detainees won't even be given lawyers.
yeah keep backing the US ,a lot more Americans and people from the west are also narrow minded.

Where's did you hear this from? Link please. The reason they haven't had a trial is becuase the case is going through the courts. When it's decided what type of trial the detainees can have they'll get one.

Originally Posted by islam-truth

nope, it just shows the goverment accuses anyone.

Over the last 5 years a total of 750 people were held at guantanamo, at the moment its a few hundred I believe. This isn't really a large number, so its clear they used somekind of filtering. I assume the two most important reasons for transferring anyone there were:
1. They posed a continuous threat
2. They held important information

Again, what else is the US supposed to do with people they capture? Usually these fighters don't wear uniforms, are not part of an organized army, nor are they fighting for any state. If you release them they simply pick up arms again against you. Sure some will be innocent, some may have been framed by fellow Afghans. But surely everyone can see the dillema this poses for the US?

Originally Posted by Tojo

Inside Guantanamo Bay

By Navy Rear Adm. Harry B. Harris Jr., commander of Joint Task Force Guantanamo, which is responsible for detainee operations and intelligence gathering at the camp
Published May 17, 2006

First with any published work, you have to look at who is providing the topic.
The person tell's it all. Their is no reason to trust american goverment or the american millitia.

GUANTANAMO BAY, Cuba -- On Sunday, the Tribune editorial page asked readers: What should the U.S. do with the Guantanamo Bay detention camp? Harry B. Harris Jr., the commander of the Joint Task Force Guantanamo, offered this essay in response.

He writes a an essay? is that a school project? Joke's, someone who is responsible and assisting in terrorist act's in foreign countries, is writing an essay.

I lead the soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines, Coast Guardsmen and civilians responsible for the safe and humane care and custody of the unlawful enemy combatants held here at Guantanamo--a responsibility we take very seriously.

And we take terrorism commited by the american goverment and the militia seriousely. Many support resistance to american terrorism anywhere anyplace.

The question of what to do with enemy combatants--committed jihadists and terrorists--is relevant and important. As the person responsible for the detention of our nation's enemies held here, I appreciate and applaud the Chicago Tribune's posing of this serious question to your readership Sunday. Col. Robert McCormick would be pleased with the Tribune's efforts to address the pressing issues of our day.

Note how he has already decided on wheter their guilty or not. If they where tried in britain with full public enquiry the will be proven innocent, it is not in their interest to let them out easily, if they can they will hold on to them anyhow they like, many of the detainees are unknown to the world or their family and loved one's.

The Tribune's characterization of Guantanamo as a "detention camp" is precisely correct. Despite our persistent efforts to correct the record, many mainstream outlets--print, voice and electronic--persist in referring to this facility as a "prison camp." This is not mere parsing of words or semantic folderol. Prisons are about punishment and rehabilitation; Guantanamo is about neither.

More like concentration camp.

What we are about is the detention of unlawful enemy combatants--dangerous men associated with Al Qaeda or the Taliban captured on the battlefield waging war on America and our allies, running from that battlefield, or otherwise closely associated with Al Qaeda and the Taliban--and, as you correctly pointed out, preventing them from returning to the fight. We hold men who proudly admit membership at the leadership level in Al Qaeda and the Taliban, many with direct personal contact and knowledge of the Sept. 11, 2001, attackers. We are keeping terrorist recruiters, facilitators, explosives trainers, bombers and bombmakers, Osama bin Laden bodyguards and financiers from continuing their jihad against America.

Here again they have already decided on the guilt of these men by linking them to al-qaeda
or associating them to al-qadae, it is possible few maybe freedom fighter's and resist american led illegan occupation (in other words terrorism).

Virtual tour

I do reject out of hand, however, the Tribune's notion that we are somehow delinquent in our moral responsibility to transform the camp and that the camp is "unsatisfactory." This is simply not true. Your editorial is either misleading or ill-informed. Conditions have improved dramatically for detainees since they first arrived in 2002. More important, we aggressively look for ways to build on the "safe and humane care and custody" mission with which I opened this dialogue.

Wow, now they are angry at any criticism of their act, that they are being found out. Anyway, your war is an illegal act, and every action in that premise is illegal, and an invasion, no matter wheter they are giving hot-chocolate or not. Much of the people here are not stupid and they have seen the treatment of this innocent people detained illegally, not to mention the fact everything leading upto and after the war is terrorism.

Today, a large number of detainees live in Camp 4, a communal-living facility where they are housed in a barracks setting with access to 12 hours of recreation and exercise per day. We provide ample exercise areas and equipment for them. Additionally, work is nearly complete on our new Camp 6, a $30 million modern medium-security facility that will make life even better for the detainees, while adding safeguards for the troops and civilians who work here. The design of Camp 6 is based on a medium-security facility in the U.S.

Wow, now they are modernising their illegal prison and concentration camp.

All detainees at Guantanamo are provided with three meals a day that meet cultural (halal) dietary requirements--meals which, incidentally, cost three times what meals for our servicemen and -women here cost. We fully meet special dietary needs (e.g., Type 2 diabetics, vegetarians, fish-but-not-red-meat-eaters etc.) of many of our detainees. We provide safe shelter and living areas with beds, mattresses, sheets and running-water toilets. We also provide adequate clothing, including shoes and uniforms, and the normal range of hygiene items, such as a toothbrush, toothpaste, soap and shampoo. Even so, many detainees have taken advantage of this--crafting killing weapons from toothbrushes and garrotes from food wrappers, for example.

It is nice to know they providing clean prison uniform and feeding the people, last thing you wan't is them to die.

In good faith

Detainees enjoy broad opportunities to practice their Muslim faith, including the requisite calls to prayer five times per day, prayer beads, rugs and copies of the Koran in their native languages from some 40 countries. Directional arrows pointing to Mecca have been painted in every cell and camp. The American guard force is specifically prohibited from touching detainees' Korans. Some detainees have attempted to use this restriction to their advantage by secreting messages, contraband and the like within their Korans. When prayer call is sounded, the guards set out "prayer cones"--traffic cones stenciled with the letter "P"--for the 30 minutes of prayer call, as a visible reminder for the guards to avoid noise and disruption. This procedure was implemented after it was suggested by a detainee.

Can they practice their good faith by going back to their home country, go home you terrorist!!

We have other camps where detainees who fail to follow camp rules are housed. As with Camp 4, these detainees are provided fair and humane treatment, have ample access to recreation time and equipment, equal access to medical and dental care, equal opportunity to practice their religion and other privileges. As are their colleagues in Camp 4, they are well-cared for and protected from inhumane treatment.

Basicly detainees who speak against the illegal war and those who will not say what they wan't to hear.

Detainees have sent and received more than 44,000 pieces of mail since February 2002, and our fully staffed detainee library has thousands of books and magazines for their use. Our library team just returned from a book-buying trip, adding nearly 2,000 Arabic titles to the library.

The fact remain's they are innocent and they war and the whole operation is illegal. Not wheter they are reading a book or not make's the whole war legal.
Enough people has dies with american terrorism.

Doctors in the house

We provide outstanding medical care to every detainee, the same quality as what our service members receive. We are improving the health and extending the life span of the detainee population in our charge. Last year, we completed building a $2.4 million camp hospital to treat detainees. To date, we have completed more than 300 surgeries, including an angioplasty, and more than 5,000 dental procedures. We provide eye care and issued almost 200 pairs of glasses last year. We have given nearly 3,000 voluntary vaccinations, including diphtheria, tetanus, mumps, measles and rubella--in many cases they are the first immunizations detainees have ever received--as well as treatment for hepatitis, influenza and latent tuberculosis. We offer complete colon cancer screenings to all of our detainees who are more than 50 years old, and a variety of medical specialists provide preventive and restorative care.

IT is obviouse you will need doctor's and healthcare for the detainees after repeated beating and phsycological interogation they get.

Two weeks ago, a detainee broke his ankle playing soccer--what makes his case extraordinary is that he is a one-legged man! The quality of the prosthetic device he was given and the therapy he receives enabled him to play soccer. I have every confidence that he will soon return to that playing field. That said, many detainees persist in mixing a blood-urine-feces-semen cocktail and throwing this deadly concoction into the faces of the American men and women who guard them, feed them and care for them. Most of the time after such an assault, our guards decline the opportunity to take a day off. After a quick medical checkup and a shower, they prefer to put on a clean uniform and return to duty. And the only retribution they exact on the detainees is to simply continue to serve with pride, dignity and humanity.

Nice story! Nice word, I hope are people are not stupid to fall for american propaganda.
It is easily concievable they are putting a face and what really goeson is not highlighted.

The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe had positive remarks to say about us based on its visit here this past March. As reported by Reuters, Alain Grignard, deputy head of Brussels' federal police anti-terrorism unit, at a press conference following an OSCE visit, said, "At the level of the detention facilities, it is a model prison, where people are better treated than in Belgian prisons." Anne-Marie Lizin, chairwoman of the Belgian Senate, told reporters at this same press conference that she saw no point in calling for the immediate closure of Guantanamo.

She see's no point on immediate closure, Well it is an illegal war and an illegal operation. She probably does not recognise the illegality of american invasion (terrorism).

The U.S. government remains committed to not detaining any person any longer than is absolutely required. We are, in fact, outright releasing or transferring detainees to their home countries and other nations willing to accept them. In my reading of history, simply releasing enemy combatants during the course of an ongoing war is unprecedented.

They are deporting many detainees for special interrogation (that will turn your stomache) in foreign countries, and the fact remain's you will not know what happened to them.

Despite articles written by defense attorneys and young translators arguing the contrary, these are, in fact, dangerous men in our custody. Make no mistake about it--we are keeping enemies of our nation off the battlefield. This is an enormous challenge. These terrorists are not represented by any nation or government. They do not adhere to the rules of war. That said, we treat them humanely, in full compliance with all laws and international obligations.

It is a fact also the whole american war is illegal and based on a lie. It is a fact Bush and Blair has commited terrorism, and all those soldier's who are assisting with such act's are terrorist and are threath to muslims out.

The young Americans serving here in Guantanamo are upholding the highest ideals of honor and duty in a remote location, face to face with some of the most dangerous men on the planet. Your readers should be proud of them. I am proud to be their commander.

The young Americans serving here in Guantanamo are upholding the highest ideals of terror and murder in a remote location, face to face with some of the most innocent men on the planet. Your readers should be horrified of them. I am proud to be their commander who follow bush lies and an illegal war and glad to be part of the american propaganda.

Originally Posted by KAding

What do people here believe the Americans should do with those they capture on the battlefield?

A - not lock them up like animals in a cage
B - not use psychological warfare when detainee is outside of cage
C - allow them to pray in their cage at least
D - Allow them to see their family and have contact with the outside world.

Originally Posted by Tojo

The reason they haven't had a trial is becuase the case is going through the courts

So, you think it's perfectly alright to lock them up in a cage and have no contact with the outside world. Not even their families? Open your God-given eyes and close your God-given anus. I'm getting sick and tired of people justifiying guantanamo - it's a sodding torture camp and should be locked down.

When it's decided what type of trial the detainees can have they'll get one.

You mean, when the government establishes a link to the detainees and al-qaida that's when they'll get their trial.

Originally Posted by KAding

If you release them they simply pick up arms again against you. Sure some will be innocent, some may have been framed by fellow Afghans. But surely everyone can see the dillema this poses for the US?

So by that logic, every person prisoner on a battelfield must be sent to gauntanamo, including children. As you can see, the argument is heavily flawed.

A - not lock them up like animals in a cage
B - not use psychological warfare when detainee is outside of cage
C - allow them to pray in their cage at least
D - Allow them to see their family and have contact with the outside world.

Detainees have sent and received more than 44,000 pieces of mail since February 2002,
Must have missed that part. So what you are saying is when confronted by a mujahadeen in the battlefield US troops should just let him walk off?

Here's the condition of the prisoners taken by your brothers:

Al queda captures and executes 5 Iraqi Policemen

http://vpcenter.org/Al-Qaida_5police_Iraq_long.wmv

Another execution video

http://vpcenter.org/execution-of-3ho...r-al-sunna.wmv

And Another

http://vpcenter.org/ogrish-dot-com-a...n-in-mosul.wmv

and of course is propaganda films like this Palistinian one "Cjharge to your death" sung by kids urging Palistinians to attack Israelis

http://vpcenter.org/Charge%20to%20your%20Death.wmv

Originally Posted by Tojo

Here's the condition of the prisoners taken by your brothers:

Al queda captures and executes 5 Iraqi Policemen

http://vpcenter.org/Al-Qaida_5police_Iraq_long.wmv

Another execution video

http://vpcenter.org/execution-of-3ho...r-al-sunna.wmv

And Another

http://vpcenter.org/ogrish-dot-com-a...n-in-mosul.wmv

It is pointless putting out this video's we don't support unlawful killing.
If this police are supporting and assisting american terrorism, than they died for in supporting an illegal war.

and of course is propaganda films like this Palistinian one "Cjharge to your death" sung by kids urging Palistinians to attack Israelis

http://vpcenter.org/Charge%20to%20your%20Death.wmv

Isreal is an illegal state, it is called state terrorism. All propagated by zionist.
Although it must be said all jew's are not zionist and all zionist are not Jews.

If you wan't to get video's I got plently of video's and picture's to spare.

Originally Posted by aamirsaab

A - not lock them up like animals in a cage

Well they are in a prison camp. How else do you lock them up? However they are not all, if any, kept in cages:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...-bay_delta.htm

B - not use psychological warfare when detainee is outside of cage

They have to question them. That will inevitably involve some sort of psychological approach. They should not do so unreasonably I agree, but they have to do something.

C - allow them to pray in their cage at least

They not only let them pray, they give them Qurans. They also give them access to Imams as can be seen by the fact that they arrested one.

D - Allow them to see their family and have contact with the outside world.

They get mail. They talk to their lawyers. It would be a mistake to let them talk to their families. The Americans have caught people using their lawyers to pass messages in support of terrorism. I don't think families would be a good idea.

So, you think it's perfectly alright to lock them up in a cage and have no contact with the outside world. Not even their families?

Not if they are innocent.

And it beats beheading them.

Originally Posted by Tojo

Detainees have sent and received more than 44,000 pieces of mail since February 2002,

Which were censored. see 'the road to guantanamo'.

So what you are saying is when confronted by a mujahadeen in the battlefield US troops should just let him walk off?

Well, they could use their guns. I mean, they do have guns right? right? Oh silly me, of course the US troops don't have guns. I mean why would they when they have a torture camp ready.

Wether or not beheadings are worse than being locked up in a cage is not for me to decide - God has that right, and as such God will decide their fate. However, what I do know is that ethics and morals seem to be lacking in the average man today.

Nowadays, one is able to be as trigger-happy as one likes and no-one can say anything against it (well, they can, but it won't stop the action from happening again).

It's also common for any "arab" looking guy to get shot or have his house raided on suspicion of terrorism. It's turned into a witch hunt. And once again, the great nation of God, America is in charge. Did anyone ask for them to intervene? to capture these so called terrorists?

(what? you don't like what I said? freedom of speech pal, freedom of speech)

Well, they could use their guns. I mean, they do have guns right? right? Oh silly me, of course the US troops don't have guns. I mean why would they when they have a torture camp ready.

Wether or not beheadings are worse than being locked up in a cage is not for me to decide - God has that right, and as such God will decide their fate. However, what I do know is that ethics and morals seem to be lacking in the average man today.

Nowadays, one is able to be as trigger-happy as one likes and no-one can say anything against it (well, they can, but it won't stop the action from happening again).

It's also common for any "arab" looking guy to get shot or have his house raided on suspicion of terrorism. It's turned into a witch hunt. And once again, the great nation of God, America is in charge. Did anyone ask for them to intervene? to capture these so called terrorists?

(what? you don't like what I said? freedom of speech pal, freedom of speech)

Make up your mind. You want us to use or guns or not becuase I'm sure we can be judge, jury, and executioner right on the spot.

Originally Posted by Tojo

Make up your mind. You want us to use or guns or not becuase I'm sure we can be judge, jury, and executioner right on the spot.

We have a term for that: vigilantes.

What I want is for this blatant witch hunt to stop. It seems all people in power want to do is destroy - why not build?

Originally Posted by aamirsaab

We have a term for that: vigilantes.

What I want is for this blatant witch hunt to stop. It seems all people in power want to do is destroy - why not build?

What do you think we are trying to do in Iraq with all those engineers and contractors that keep getting kidnapped?