Originally Posted by HeiGou

1. Wikipedia is often wrong.

Glad you think so... Hope we can hold this comment in high esteem the next time one of you cuts and pastes it as a source as for instance the defintion of hezballah as a terrorist group

Originally Posted by HeiGou

2. That was in 1896 which was, you may have noticed, some time ago..

what you are saying to me essentially is that morals are subject to change with the times? I am cool with that

Originally Posted by HeiGou

2.1 Hence it was not the same law as you alleged. British law has changed a lot since 1896..

I didn't allege it was written in the article which you choose to think is rubbish a regular thing I see here... in regard of what articles are befitting belief and which one's aren't I don't think you and your two buddies are the authority on what is true... we have a long history of hypocrisy and colonialism which somehow you refuse to see as a source for the discord ... these things build up and fester ... was it you that just demonstrated exemplary skill with psychiatry on another post? if not ignore the last bit

Originally Posted by HeiGou

I agree that some of the massacres involving Muslims are one of the causes for why there are terrorist attacks by misguided Muslims in the West. But only some of them. Not those that involve Muslims for instance as the perpetrators. The biggest murderers of Muslims are other Muslims but that causes no outrage. The biggest oppressors of Muslims are other Muslims but that causes no outrage. What does is the attacks by Kafirs on Muslims. That causes attacks on other Kafirs with no connection to the original attack at all. That ought to cause outrage as well.

I think this is just your inner child speaking... am I too allowed to make a psychitric analysis like the superior anti-Muslims cohorts?

I am manifestly not doing the same. I think that British Muslims should have an opinion on attacks on British people in Britain. Someone else here thinks that massacres by non-British Israelis of non-British Palestinians means that British Muslims do not need to hold or express an opinion on attacks on British people in Britain and he seems to be edging towards saying that massacres by non-British Israelis of non-British Palestinians means that any bombings in Britain are justified. I have never claimed one death justifies another except as a matter of criminal law.

This is what is called denial

I take it you cannot name a protest by Muslims against the murder of non-Muslims?

(Note; Its against the killing of civilians wether they be Muslim or not)

My dear friend please do not be to hasty. Muslims rally against Al-Qaeda

Now I think there was the small matter regarding your special Islamic knowledge, please do not deprive us from it.

Originally Posted by Khaldun

I am manifestly not doing the same. I think that British Muslims should have an opinion on attacks on British people in Britain. Someone else here thinks that massacres by non-British Israelis of non-British Palestinians means that British Muslims do not need to hold or express an opinion on attacks on British people in Britain and he seems to be edging towards saying that massacres by non-British Israelis of non-British Palestinians means that any bombings in Britain are justified. I have never claimed one death justifies another except as a matter of criminal law.

This is what is called denial

Denial of what exactly?

I take it you cannot name a protest by Muslims against the murder of non-Muslims?

My dear friend please do not be to hasty. Muslims rally against Al-Qaeda

(Note; Its against the killing of civilians wether they be Muslim or not)

My dear friend please do not be to hasty. Muslims rally against Al-Qaeda

Sorry I think I may have messed up your post a little here. Editing problems.

OK. Let's go with your source. Remember the challenge was to find a Muslim protesting against the murder of non-Muslims....

November 07, 2005
Muslims Protest Al Qaeda

A large rally was held in Morocco over the weekend. That isn't newsworthy in itself, but they weren't chanting anti-American slogans at this rally. They were rallying against Al Qaeda and its killing of Muslims:

Thousands have marched through Morocco's biggest city to protest against al-Qaida's decision to kill two Moroccan hostages in Iraq.

Holding banners and chanting "Muslims are brothers. A Muslim does not kill his brother" and "Yes to freedom, No to terrorism and barbarity", the protesters on Sunday marched through Casablanca, a city of six million and Morocco's financial capital.

Top Moroccan officials, ministers, pro-government and opposition party leaders, and trade unions and rights groups led the protest to put pressure on al-Qaida to free the two men.

Al Qaeda's decision to kill the Moroccans even drew the condemnation of local Islamic scholars:

Morocco's influential organisation of Islamic scholars, known as the High Council of the Ulema and the Councils of Ulema in the Moroccan Kingdom, dismissed al-Qaida's argument that its verdict to kill the two embassy employees was "God's judgment".

"The two Moroccans would be considered martyrs if this iniquitous verdict were to be carried out, as they were carrying out a duty assigned to them by their nation and legitimate state," the Moroccan Islamic body said on Saturday.

It appears that Zarqawi's brutal tactics are squandering the goodwill that bin Laden and Zawahiri worked so hard to get. Will we see a split within Al Qaeda before all popular support is lost or will the entire group become a pariah in the Muslim world? An even better question is why did the mainstream media ignore this event? Several websites put the number of protesters at 150,000( although opponents say 10,000). Would the American media have ignored this event if 150,000 Muslims had gathered to protest the U.S.? Do I even need to answer that for you?

A woman comforts an unidentified relative of Abdelkrim el-Mouhafidi, one of two kidnapped Moroccan embassy workers, in Casablanca, southern Morocco, Sunday, Nov. 6, 2005, as thousands marched through the city on Sunday to protest al Qaida's decision to kill two Moroccan hostages in Iraq. Al Qaida has said it decided to kill the Moroccan embassy employees, Abderrahim Boualem and Abdelkrim al Mouhafidi because of Morocco's support for the US-backed Iraqi government.

The King of Morocco calls the kidnappers criminals in a nationwide speech:

Also in a nationwide speech Sunday evening marking the 30th anniversary of the Green March, King Mohammed VI strongly condemned what he described as “hideous crime”, the kidnapping of the two Moroccan nationals. “I must strongly condemn the despicable kidnapping, by terrorist gangs in Iraq (…) It is a crime which is condemned by the Moroccan people” and “is unacceptable by any moral or religious standards.”

The monarch nonetheless said he still expects “the criminals to come to their senses, and set free those two innocent citizens, who are from an Arab, Muslim country that has spared no effort to stand by the brotherly Iraqi people in their ordeal, advocating dialogue and wisdom to overcome their crisis.”

I would say this proves my point: hundreds of dead kafirs and not a word. Two dead Moroccans and suddenly the streets are alive. Let me ask you why it seems to those Moroccans dead Nepalese or Fijians are not worth a peep but two Moroccans are?
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Although you are deviating from the main topic and you didnt answer my question about your Islamic knowledge, I take it you didnt click the link on the website. Going around in circle is all nice, but really Heigou we wont get anywhere.

Originally Posted by Khaldun

Although you are deviating from the main topic and you didnt answer my question about your Islamic knowledge, I take it you didnt click the link on the website. Going around in circle is all nice, but really Heigou we wont get anywhere.

I do not see that I am deviating at all. We all know what the state of my Islamic knowledge is and I have never suggested otherwise. I did click the link - I even posted most of it with all the good bits high-lighted. The fact that Moroccans protest against the murder of Moroccans is, surely, an argument for me, not for you?

I am happy to stop whenever you, as a Moderator or even as the other person in a debate, feel it is appropriate.

Share this knowledge then, as you said previously.

HeiGou

I have a rough idea of what Islamic law says although I might be wrong,

What is this idea, what does Islam say?

I did click the link - I even posted most of it with all the good bits high-lighted. The fact that Moroccans protest against the murder of Moroccans is, surely, an argument for me, not for you?

I do apologies with the link I meant http://allthingsconservative.typepad...r_denounc.html