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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 14 Reputation: 9 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Jul 2006 Way of Life: Undisclosed | http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/n...l/15107345.htm Posted on Mon, Jul. 24, 2006 Commentary Syria and Iran wouldn't like the West when it's angry If they reject sensible peace offers, the U.S. has just one option: massive air strikes. By Victor Davis Hanson The conventional wisdom is that the United States is so tied down that it can't do much about the rocket attacks on Israel, the blatant sponsorship of terrorists by Iran and Syria, or the Iranian nuclear program. Oil prices are already sky-high. Any unilateral American action might disrupt tight global supplies. That would derail the economies of our Western allies and only further enrich enemies with windfall profits. Trying to win hearts and minds for the fragile democracy in Iraq also means we can't afford to offend Arab sensitivities elsewhere. And a lame-duck George Bush, low in the polls and facing uncertain congressional elections this fall, certainly doesn't want to involve the American taxpayer with more costly commitments abroad. But despite that sound conventional wisdom, an exasperated West is running out of choices in the Middle East. For years, the Arab world clamored for the Israel "problem" to be solved. Then peace and security would at last supposedly reshape the Middle East. The Western nations understood the "problem" as being Israeli retention of lands it had captured in Sinai, the West Bank, Gaza, Syria and Lebanon after defeating a series of Arab forces bent on destroying the Jewish state. But after the Israeli departure from Sinai, Gaza and Lebanon, and billions of dollars in American aid to Egypt, Jordan and the Palestinians, there is still not much progress toward peace. Past Israeli magnanimity was seen as weakness. Israel's diplomacy has earned it another round of kidnapping, ransom and rocket attacks. Finally, the world is accepting that the Middle East problem was never about so-called occupied land - but only about the existence of Israel itself. Hezbollah and Hamas, and those in their midst who tolerate them (or vote for them), didn't so much want Israel out of Lebanon and Gaza as pushed into the Mediterranean altogether. And since there will be no second Holocaust, the Israelis may well soon transform a perennial terrorist war that they can't easily win into a conventional aerial one against a terrorist-sponsoring Syria that they can. For its part, the United States has spent thousands of lives and billions in treasure trying to birth democracy in Iraq. We wished to end our old cynical support for Middle East dictators that earned us such scorn and instead give liberated Iraqis a choice other than either theocracy or autocracy. In multilateral fashion, America has also welcomed the help of the European Union, the United Nations, China and Russia in convincing the Iranians of the folly of producing nuclear weapons. But like Hezbollah and Hamas, Iran does not wish to parley - just as the beheaders and kidnappers in Iraq don't, either. The two most liberal societies in Europe - Denmark and the Netherlands - welcomed almost anyone to their shores from the Middle East. Their multicultural hospitality was supposed to have led to a utopian "diverse" nation of various races, nationalities and religions. Instead, such liberality has earned both small nations pariah status in the Muslim world for the supposed indiscretions of a few freewheeling filmmakers and cartoonists. Yet for all their threats, what the Islamists - from Hezbollah in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley to the Iranian government in Tehran to the jihadists in Iraq's Sunni Triangle - don't understand is that they are slowly pushing tired Westerners into a corner. If diplomacy, or aid, or support for democracy, or multiculturalism, or withdrawal from contested lands, does not satisfy radical Islamists, what would? Perhaps nothing. What then would be the new Western approach to terrorism? Hard and quick retaliation - but without our past concern for nation-building, or offering a democratic alternative to theocracy and autocracy, or even worrying about whether other Muslims are unfairly lumped in with Islamists who operate freely in their midst. Any new policy of retaliation - in light both of Sept. 11 and the messy efforts to birth democracies in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon and the West Bank - would be something of an exasperated return to the old cruise-missile payback. Yet in the new world of Iranian nukes and Hezbollah missiles, the West would hit back with something far greater than a cruise missile. If they are not careful, a Syria or an Iran really will earn a conventional war - not more futile diplomacy or limited responses to terrorism. And history shows that massive attacks from the air are something that the West does well. So in the meantime, let us hope that democracy prevails in Iraq, that our massive aid is actually appreciated by the Middle East, that diplomacy ultimately works with Iran, that Syria quits supporting terrorists, and that Hamas and Hezbollah cease their rocket attacks against Israel - more for all their sakes than ours. Victor Davis Hanson (author@victorhanson.com) is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. |
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| قُلْ هُوَ الرَّحْمَن Status: Offline Posts: 8,841 Reputation: 118467 Rep Power: 178 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: yes! Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Bring it on tough guy...
__________________There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy-- S. ![]() ![]() |
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| قُلْ هُوَ الرَّحْمَن Status: Offline Posts: 8,841 Reputation: 118467 Rep Power: 178 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: yes! Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | yup such as the battle between the Romans and Khalid Ibn Alwaleed to secure the borders..... Although I personally don't think any Muslim today can compare to them... there are other facets to war ..... very few people demonstrated skill in spite of lack of resources or man power.... one thing for sure arrogance doesn't take people very far...
__________________There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy-- S. ![]() ![]() |
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| قُلْ هُوَ الرَّحْمَن Status: Offline Posts: 8,841 Reputation: 118467 Rep Power: 178 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: yes! Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | No... I really don't want a war... I have nieces and nephews and it amazes me how clueless they are to the world around them when they watch shrek sponge bob or play in the yard.... But I do believe people should stand up for their rights and for what is right and not be bullied by the new tough kid on the block...
__________________There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy-- S. ![]() ![]() |
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| Board Member Status: Offline Posts: 1,289 Reputation: 1783 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Jungle Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
This whole war thing is a bit absurd. I think the US spends too much time going to war, its like, every decade, Americans see a "great war." Let's begin at 1900. 1900 - slow year. 1910 - WW1. 1920 - slow year, great depression, isolation. 1930 - WW2 (not involved, just ate popcorn and observed) 1940 - WW2 (involved), cold war (key player) 1950 - Korean War 1960 - Vietnam War 1970 - Bunch of Israeli-Arab wars that US secretly took part in, plus more Vietnam war stuff. 1980 - War on Drugs 1990 - HOT DECADE - Gulf War, battle of Mogadishu, Kosovo! 2000 - another HOT DECADE - Afghanistan, Iraq, prospective Korea, Iran, and Syria. You see, for the American people, I being one, this is typical, so lets not look surprised and "Make Our Day," lets just make this Decade and the Next, and the Next......life goes on... "This world is a blank price tag, and whatever value you put on it, is what its worth to you. I have made this world priceless and worthless, so therefore I have placed my value in the afterlife." An Original Quote from Dahir | |
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| قُلْ هُوَ الرَّحْمَن Status: Offline Posts: 8,841 Reputation: 118467 Rep Power: 178 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: yes! Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | leave people's mothers out of this including your own.... even if it were a joke?... some things should have reverence... but I guess you are entitled......
__________________Anyhow I think I'll be less grouchy if I go have DINDIN There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy-- S. ![]() ![]() |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 4,789 Reputation: 6956 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Seattle, Wa. USA Gender: Way of Life: Agnostic | Quote:
She had a great sense of humor. | |
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| Full Member Status: Offline Posts: 114 Reputation: 20 Rep Power: 23 Join Date: May 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Undisclosed | I'm not George Bush. I don't control the US military. Unless of course you are challenging me personally. I warn you though, I can beat any girl! (Joke - for all you serious people out there! - Imagine Andy Kaufmann in his rediculous tights wrestling women in a wrestling ring) |
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| قُلْ هُوَ الرَّحْمَن Status: Offline Posts: 8,841 Reputation: 118467 Rep Power: 178 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: yes! Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | "had"???? Hope she is still around to enjoy you...
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