anyway i rest my case, your still stubborn, thats all folks

no i was speaking to soulsearching on that one not you i know you and I agree
Alhumdulillah

Originally Posted by searchingsoul

Don't fret over it too much. Everyone in this world will not agree with you.

Im not asking for you to agree with me im simply stating that you are ignorant of what you speak

Here is my take. If a soldier from any army kills a civilian who hasn't shown themselves to be a threat, and who is taking no active role in violence against that army, then that is indeed murder. There have been many cases of this in history, and these incidents are murder.
Then you have large conventional wars where both sides are bombing the heck out of capitals and military and civilian infrastructure, such as was the case in WWII. In these instances it is impossible to fully control the extent of civilian casualties, unless you firebomb an entire city, as in Dresden. If you really want to be honest about it, war itself is murder, sanctioned and sometimes unavoidable, but still murder. That is the point of war, to kill and not be killed.

Originally Posted by Quruxbadaan

Im not asking for you to agree with me im simply stating that you are ignorant of what you speak

What makes another person ignorant, when you feel that you are not?

searching enough arguing when you get educated and are ready to discuss things matter of factly come back to me

in the mean time you take your twisted view of reality to bed at night

war is war

and casualties will be expected when they become murder is when they are done deliberatly

im sorry that you dont agree thats what makes you ignorant and me not ignorant

peace

Originally Posted by Keltoi

Here is my take. If a soldier from any army kills a civilian who hasn't shown themselves to be a threat, and who is taking no active role in violence against that army, then that is indeed murder. There have been many cases of this in history, and these incidents are murder.
Then you have large conventional wars where both sides are bombing the heck out of capitals and military and civilian infrastructure, such as was the case in WWII. In these instances it is impossible to fully control the extent of civilian casualties, unless you firebomb an entire city, as in Dresden. If you really want to be honest about it, war itself is murder, sanctioned and sometimes unavoidable, but still murder. That is the point of war, to kill and not be killed.

at least you have a more rational and realistic view on it then others i wont say any names

If you really want to be honest about it, war itself is murder, sanctioned and sometimes unavoidable, but still murder. That is the point of war, to kill and not be killed.

This is a persuasive argument. Perhaps war is murder? Forgivable murder? Justified murder? See, my views aren't set in stone.

Originally Posted by Keltoi

Here is my take. If a soldier from any army kills a civilian who hasn't shown themselves to be a threat, and who is taking no active role in violence against that army, then that is indeed murder. There have been many cases of this in history, and these incidents are murder.
Then you have large conventional wars where both sides are bombing the heck out of capitals and military and civilian infrastructure, such as was the case in WWII. In these instances it is impossible to fully control the extent of civilian casualties, unless you firebomb an entire city, as in Dresden. If you really want to be honest about it, war itself is murder, sanctioned and sometimes unavoidable, but still murder. That is the point of war, to kill and not be killed.

you see what your saying i can agree a little more with

Originally Posted by Quruxbadaan

searching enough arguing when you get educated and are ready to discuss things matter of factly come back to me

in the mean time you take your twisted view of reality to bed at night

war is war

and casualties will be expected when they become murder is when they are done deliberatly

im sorry that you dont agree thats what makes you ignorant and me not ignorant

peace

Interesting view on conflict.

to me murder is wrong there is no such thing as forgivable murder and there is no such thing as justifyable murder

wallahi wallahi i swear by allah that some members here who claim to have a more realistic view of things would be singing a completly differnt tune if this were happening directly to them

thats a fact but here they are rambling about how it is okay to kill people who have nothing to with the war and who arent armed

in anycase murder is murder and murderers should be brought to justice which they will be at the hands of ALLAh
and he is the best of planners