Geeze, Ninth Scribe, I can’t tell if you are parroting the Israeli or Hezbollah mantra on this thread.

Ninth Scribe " this is war... and war is ugly and poor civilians are always the ones who pay the price because they can't move themselves from the battle-ground. I didn't get that at first. I would have thought they all would leave because that's what I would do. But that didn't happen in Iraq. It didn't happen in New Orleans - even when they had three days notice to get the hell out".


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Nimrod

Originally Posted by nimrod

Geeze, Ninth Scribe, I can’t tell if you are parroting the Israeli or Hezbollah mantra on this thread.

Ninth Scribe " this is war... and war is ugly and poor civilians are always the ones who pay the price because they can't move themselves from the battle-ground. I didn't get that at first. I would have thought they all would leave because that's what I would do. But that didn't happen in Iraq. It didn't happen in New Orleans - even when they had three days notice to get the hell out".


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Recitation is of history. Hezbollah, Israel, Iraq, etc... these are only new names and faces. The underlying concept and the strategies are no different.

All mankind has taught me is that it repeats it's history every so often. The arm hates the finger and the head hates the leg. Nothing new, nothing interesting... no enlightenment to be found here. Makes me wonder why I bothered to come here in the first place.

Even the 'holier-than-thou' attitudes I come across on occassion are predictable. Yes, yes, yes, war is wrong... it's so wrong in fact it's become the most popular sport on the planet. Yawn. Spare me. All those who complain here, have yet to produce a single alterative... that works. Save your breath on me... it won't get anyone anywhere.

Ninth Scribe

Originally Posted by ManchesterFolk

Killed or be killed.

Where did you learn your ever so deep philosophys. The school of Cave Men and Cave Women?

You can say that while eating the lives of others? This isn't heaven where we get and give at the same rate, like the speed of light. This is a different place and as much as you might pretend that dinner of your's didn't cost a life... it's just a fancy deception. You should turn your light on and have a good look at the world your standing in... you'll never make it neat, painless and perfect. It wasn't even designed for that.

Ninth Scribe

Originally Posted by therebbe

The US does not have the right to rule the whole world...

Just like Al-Queda has no right to crash airplanes into buildings and kill innocent...

Just like Saddam has no right to gas thousands upon thousands of Kurds and then try to cover up there remains because he feels like it...[/SIZE]

And Zarqawi your "hero" who won your "heart" cares about the poor civilians when he blows up a wedding that kills 30 people including babies? Disgusting. Each post you make only builds up the list of contradictions your 'theories' have.

Conveniently leaving Israel out of the mix here? Gee, there's a shock! So what was their excuse for the innocents they slaughtered for the sake of some old rocks and dirt? Or is Avodah Zarah legal now?

Zarqawi apologized for the incident in Jordan.

America apologized for the incident in Pakistan.

Maliki has proven that since his family was threatened, he can act exactly the same way Saddam did.

Israel hasn't made a single apology to any of the Palestinian men, women and children it's destroyed for it's addiction to old dirt... and that was the INCIDENT that triggered all this happy-joy we see today. You want to herald world peace? You want heaven on earth? Than GIVE at the same rate you TAKE. Otherwise, your words are a waste of breath and all the red heifers on the planet won't change that. You're not better than Zarqawi... you're just different!

Ninth Scribe

Originally Posted by Geronimo

Let's place the age at let's say 13. I would implement that all males 13 and older would be shot on site because by not reporting these "freedom fighters" obviously they are collaborating them. I would also implement that no body shall be burried instead they will be slathered in pig fat and burned on the spot.

As I reminded you on the Low Blow thread, the Catholic church has been very busy doing that already - for no reason at all - to children under the age of 13! The man responsible would have been prosecuted, but the pope took him out of our legal reach. That was the price those kids paid for believing that the church was a holy respite from this evil world.

I could go all the way down the list too... but I'm pretty sure I've made my point crystal clear. Point the finger all you want... but there is always another who can point their finger at you. Always.

Ninth Scribe

Conveniently leaving Israel out of the mix here? Gee, there's a shock! So what was their excuse for the innocents they slaughtered for the sake of some old rocks and dirt? Or is Avodah Zarah legal now?

What is the excuse all the Muslim extremists have for slaughtering people for the sake of old rocks and dirt. Your pointless comparisons and your as usual heartless comments shouldn't open anyones eyes. I think I will name you 'Evil'... Your theory: Kill boys and girls because its war... My theory: Trying and creaty peace and stabability.

Israel hasn't made a single apology

Does it feel good to lie? Israel has apologized so like your hero mass murderer Zarqawi they should be forgiven correct? Please!

addiction to old dirt...

Addiction for old dirt? Have seen the Middle East. Tell me the number of square miles Muslim countries have and then compare it to Jewish countries in the region. Who has the addiction for 'old dirt again'?

I'm pretty sure I've made my point crystal clear.

Yes you have made your point. You believe Murder is okay... You justify the serial killers, the rapists, the guilty because 'thats war'...

You have made no point. All I wonder is if you have a soul.

Otherwise, your words are a waste of breath

A waste of breath? Your talking! Hahahahaha! Funny!

You're not better than Zarqawi... you're just different!

No better than Zarqawi? Are you kidding? Your comapring someone to mass murderer.

At least he did not 'give his heart' to a mass murderer.

Originally Posted by ManchesterFolk

Above comments...

I was very upset the other day because I've been blessed/cursed with excellent vision and can see things coming before most people, but I can't do anything about it, which is frustrating, so I participated in the cycle we all seem to be so fond of these days (finger pointing back and forth to make arguments go around in circles). Allow me to simplify my point.

To end all this BS once and for all will take ROUND THE TABLE AMNESTY!

No picking and chosing. For every horror tale you can produce, your opponents can match you, and so on, and so on, and so on, all around the table. So, to me, the loss of innocent life is a shared curse that everyone is guilty of.

As for Zarqawi, if you took away all of his deeds, both good and bad, he's a brilliant soul. He re-acted to the actions of others, by what he saw and what he learned here. He had an incredible force of will... and he was a fearless lion! I doubt we'd be a good match, since I'm more of an eagle than a lion (would never tolerate my field of vision being pigeon-holed), but I still admire him for both his courage and conviction. I'm pretty sure he'll recover from this world.

You seem to feel that these lions are psychotic. To me though, it seems amusing that Americans condemn the suicide missions, while watching movies like Independence Day - cheering on the old drunk who becomes the hero and saves the day. What's the difference?

So I sit here and listen to all the different sides say the same thing. I'm sorry but I don't agree that the Lions in Iraq are the only cause of the problem any more than I believe Zarqawi was... because none of them fired a single shot off until after the invasion!

You don't blame a war on it's... soldiers! Every one of these soldiers (all sides) followed orders. American soldiers are testifying that they were ordered to kill all Iraqi males that were combat age. I mean, I could go on, because I have more records than you do... but it would just go around in circles like some twisted version of the Red Sox / Yankees rivalry... goes nowhere.

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I'm sorry but I don't agree that the Lions in Iraq are the only cause of the problem any more than I believe Zarqawi was...

But you don't believe he is a part of the problem. You proclaimed in an early post that he "won your heart"... and he apologized after he blew up a Muslimwedding in Jordan killing 30, so he is good again. In your mind, I assume American soldiers can just rape an Iraqi and then say sorry and there are forgiven like Zarqawi. Your opinion not mine.

You seem to feel that these lions are psychotic. To me though, it seems amusing that Americans condemn the suicide missions, while watching movies like Independence Day - cheering on the old drunk who becomes the hero and saves the day. What's the difference?

What's the difference? Are you seriously asking that?

Just think for a second. The movie "Independance Day" is a MOVIE. It is not real! The Lions are real! There suicide attacks kill innocent people. Your comparing suicide attacks that end innocent civilians lives with a fiction movie about aliens? I guess only the most enlightened minds of our era decide to compare real life situations that are killing people to fiction movies and then try to justify what there doing by refering to a Fiction movie.

As for Zarqawi, if you took away all of his deeds, both good and bad, he's a brilliant soul. He re-acted to the actions of others, by what he saw and what he learned here. He had an incredible force of will... and he was a fearless lion!

Just sickening. When Zarqawi blew up a wedding killing babies and newly weds in Jordan how was he as you say "re-acting to thr actions of others"... Was he re-acting to them eating cake? What was the justification for that. But since he said "sorry" you forgive him right? Absolutly sickening on your part.

Unbelievable....

Originally Posted by therebbe

The movie "Independance Day" is a MOVIE. It is not real! The Lions are real!

Excuse me, but it's not my fault so many American people could relate to the character of the rowdy old drunk who saved the day... and your argument over reality shatters when it's held up to things like... propaganda! Real or imagined, if people can RELATE - the point is made and it stands out. You're just pissed off because it was a valid point. Or do you honestly believe that because war is written in fiction, it can't possily exist in reality - you're too funny!

Originally Posted by therebbe

When Zarqawi blew up a wedding killing babies and newly weds in Jordan...

Ah, back to the finger pointing. Nice kick off to Armegheddon, lol. In your perverted mind, No one but Zarqawi has done this... or maybe you're trying to say the Jews had better reasons to do it?

If I had to condemn anyone, I'd have to condemn you all.

Ninth Scribe

He didn't say nobody but Zarqawi had committed murder, he was pointing out the hypocrisy of your statements. You defend Zarqawi all day long for blowing up a wedding, and haven't seen anything from Zarqawi in which he "apologized" for an act he set up in the first place, but if you have a link to this "apology" I will retract that.
As for the "Independence Day" analogy. You are talking about a movie. In this movie the world is on the brink of destruction and the suicidal pilot sacrificed his life to save those left alive. It was Hollywood fantasy. Suicide bombers blow up women and children for no other reason than to commit murder. They aren't saving any lives, they are taking them. Stupid analogy, but I suppose stupidity must be addressed from time to time.

In the words of my generation... UP YOURS!

The above may have been written into fiction, but it is the heart of the whole problem! This, in thought, in word, and in deed, accounts for 100% of the problem. Bin Laden said it. Israel said it. America said it. Hezbollah said it. Zarqawi said it. And the thousands of people who follow them!

I wanted to know WHY everyone felt they had to say it... especially from the most hostile, because they were causing the most trouble! I've since learned it's more tied to the Nature of this world than to anything else. I wanted to intervene, but not a single person from any of these groups were willing to just split the difference, share the blame, and walk away.

The "sectarian violence" strategy is contained in a fiction as well, but it played out flawlessly on the stage of real life! What was the fiction? A TV show called Numb3rs. The episode? 2:12 - The O.G. - not that you'd bother to watch it, but there's your answer.

I honestly don't know why I bother to write because you'll never understand me. To most people, I've always been a strange kind of creature. I'm not really interested in the affairs of this world. I won't buy a house or things like that because, well, no one really owns this world or any part of it. I play with my toys: cigarette boats, jets... because I love the open sea and the open sky! Horseback riding through mountains, blueberries and real maple syrup... Mmm. I'm also easily amused. A couple days back I was furious because the cease-fire was threatened. What cheered me up? A Monarch butterfly landed on my car to show off his wings.

Since 911, I have tried to understand all the elements involved, and that's why I came to this forum. But I've made an important decision. I've heard all sides of these issues for quite some time now and as I said before, it just goes around in circles: This one hates that one because he did the same thing the other one did, but this one did it because that one started it... I can get this from any child's play-group. I haven't learned a thing except that this is just the way men behave. It's like they all need something to war about... in thoughts, words and deeds. So... opens the four gates wide... have at it.

I wasted this whole summer online and accomplished nothing! So, I'm cancelling my internet subscription and I'm going off to ride the horses. Autumn is coming, and that will triple my energy levels! Hay rides, spiked cider, breath-taking foliage and the harvest festivals!

I'm sure you're all capable of taking it from here~~~

Ninth Scribe

wasted this whole summer online and accomplished nothing! So, I'm cancelling my internet subscription and I'm going off to ride the horses. Autumn is coming, and that will triple my energy levels! Hay rides, spiked cider, breath-taking foliage and the harvest festivals!

Have fun. Maybe the outdoors with clear up your head.

This sectarian violence must end. Are these people blind to the fact that they are creating a dark future for there children?