The “Lions“ kill dozens in Iraq



http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200608/s1713994.htm


Coordinated Baghdad blasts kill dozens

Insurgent bombers have killed at least 47 people and injured 148 more in a coordinated series of blasts which demolished two buildings in a commercial district of Baghdad yesterday, a defence official says.

"One building and one house collapsed completely," the official said.

"Two more buildings were seriously damaged."

At least five explosions have ripped through the Zafaraniyah district of south-east Baghdad.

A witness and a security official say the attack on the Al Qubyasi market, in a mixed area inhabited by Shiites, Sunni and Christians, was done in a way designed to maximise casualties.

An Interior Ministry official says the carnage began when a Katyusha rocket demolished a four-storey building containing residences and shops.

Edit: This is the same type used by Hezbollah and supplied by Iran

Dual attack

Five minutes later, as bystanders rushed to drag the dead and wounded from the rubble, a car bomb detonated about 100 metres away, shattering shop fronts and scattering wounded people across the street.

A medical official at the scene says bodies are trapped in the remains of the building.

"There are dozens of bodies in the street," he said.

"The building just collapsed. It was four storeys, with homes and shops.

"Civil defence personnel are trying to get bodies out of the building.

"The shops underneath are destroyed."

Less than an hour later, another bomb attack brought down a second building nearby and again, after local people gathered at the site a suicide bomber on a motorbike ploughed into the crowd and blew himself up.

Meanwhile, a fifth bomb attack targeted a police patrol on its way to the scene, injuring three officers.

Baghdad is in the grip of a dirty war between rival sectarian gangs and insurgents targeting US-led coalition forces and the national unity Government led by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki.

Around 50 people are killed every day, according to figures from the city morgue.

Originally Posted by Joe98

The “Lions“ kill dozens in Iraq

Baghdad is in the grip of a dirty war between rival sectarian gangs and insurgents targeting US-led coalition forces and the national unity Government led by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki.

Around 50 people are killed every day, according to figures from the city morgue.

Yes, yes, yes. The "Lions" are the only ones who kill civillians and it's all about sectarian gangs. American troops, coalition forces and Maliki are all the good guys and have never killed civillians, raped women, etc.

Three months ago I asked Maliki to offer "round-the-table amnesty" to all the fighters. Why? Because every one of them had the blood of innocents on their hands. Maliki, for some strange reason, believed Amnesty should be offered only to those who didn't need it. That was a joke and of course the plan failed!

As for the sectarian BS - Al Sadr extended his hand to the Sunni "lions" and announced that he wanted to join forces with them to fight the invasion, or as he put it... "cut off the head of the snake"... so he didn't view the Sunni "lions" as enemies.

Now I don't know who's playing what games here, but to even suggest that the bloodshed is all the fault of the Sunni "lions" is pure BS, at best. They're all ticking me off with the killing of the civilians, the twisting of words and the bending of images, and believe me when I tell you, my light is going to shine all over this... but to stop it will take... ROUND THE TABLE AMNESTY! End of story.

To any Sunni or Shiite fighters here, I know you think America is upset by the increase in sectarian violence, but let me ask you this. If America said it would be upset if you jumped off a cliff... would you do that too? You're doing their dirty work... for them!

Ninth Scribe

Wonderfully put out...It's good to see some people with sense in this forum

Originally Posted by Iqram

Wonderfully put out...It's good to see some people with sense in this forum

Well thank you for that. I've always rebelled against the 'parrot' routine... don't like people telling me the only thing I'm allowed to say is "Polly wanna cracker?"

Ninth Scribe

Originally Posted by Ninth_Scribe

Well thank you for that. I've always rebelled against the 'parrot' routine... don't like people telling me the only thing I'm allowed to say is "Polly wanna cracker?"

Ninth Scribe

loolll!! hehe....

It's good to think outside the box

Three months ago I asked Maliki to offer "round-the-table amnesty" to all the fighters.

You asked him?

so he didn't view the Sunni "lions" as enemies.

So your blaming all of the violence on the Sunni's, because the Shia are obviously so peace loving.

You're doing their dirty work... for them!

That must be it. America is only in Iraq so they can set off road side bombs and killing innocent Iraqi's. All those elections, freedoms, ect all just a cover up! There in it to set off those road side bombs, they do not want peace and stability in Iraq! They want violence, and they want to be stuck there for the next ten to fifteen years!

Brilliant conclusion.

Originally Posted by therebbe

That must be it. America is only in Iraq so they can set off road side bombs and killing innocent Iraqi's. All those elections, freedoms, ect all just a cover up! There in it to set off those road side bombs, they do not want peace and stability in Iraq! They want violence, and they want to be stuck there for the next ten to fifteen years!

Brilliant conclusion.

America (the government) doesn't want to leave Iraq until there is a 'user-friendly' government in place that will do what America wants! As I mentioned on the "Low Blow" thread (page 5), Maliki is just starting to figure that out now!

Of course, these are just the opinions of a woman ~ and what do we women know?

Ninth Scribe

America (the government) doesn't want to leave Iraq until there is a 'user-friendly' government in place that will do what America wants!

I really doubt that. Do you realize all the think tanks and people trying to figure out how they can get USA troops out of that sitation while at the same time not leave it a complete anarchy?

You should really do some research before reading into these conspiracy theories.

Of course, these are just the opinions of a woman ~ and what do we women know?

What relevance does that have to anything? The opinion of anyone is not anymore valid because of there gender. Someones opinion is more valid because of there knowledge.

Originally Posted by Ninth_Scribe

The "Lions" are the only ones who kill civillians and it's all about sectarian gangs.

American troops……..are all the good guys and have never killed civillians, raped women, etc.

The US gov’t has a policy not to kill civilians

The US gov’t has a policy not to rape women

If a US soldier murders or rapes he will be tried in a court.


The insurgents policy is to kill civilains

The insurgents policy is to rape women

If an insurgent kills civilians and rapes women he gets rewarded by other insurgents because the deaths will be blamed on the "occupation".

Originally Posted by Ninth_Scribe

Yes, yes, yes. The "Lions" are the only ones who kill civillians and it's all about sectarian gangs. American troops, coalition forces and Maliki are all the good guys and have never killed civillians, raped women, etc.

Of course Americans have killed Iraqis. I think your claim is what is called a 'straw man' ;).

Three months ago I asked Maliki to offer "round-the-table amnesty" to all the fighters. Why? Because every one of them had the blood of innocents on their hands. Maliki, for some strange reason, believed Amnesty should be offered only to those who didn't need it. That was a joke and of course the plan failed!

That 'strange reason' was of course pressure from his own base not to be too soft on those who had targeted them. I happen to agree with you, but then again, I'm not the one being targeted by suicide bombings and car bombs! I thought you were the one who was always full of understanding why people in Iraq react like they do? Do you have no sympathy for the Shi'ite postion? Decades of oppression by Sunnis, now they finally get a say in government and those same Sunni's do their utmost to destroy it and attack Shiite targets wherever they can.

As for the sectarian BS - Al Sadr extended his hand to the Sunni "lions" and announced that he wanted to join forces with them to fight the invasion, or as he put it... "cut off the head of the snake"... so he didn't view the Sunni "lions" as enemies.

Depends. Al Sadr was overjoyed when he heard of the death of the "lion" for which you wept, Al Zarqawi. Sadr has no problem aligning with those who fight just the occupation, he has no interest in joining those who commit these suicide bombings against government and shiite targets.

Virtually every week in Iraq there are several massacres on the scale of Qana, yet nobody cares, that is what suprises me. As the conflict in Iraq has increasingly 'iraqified' the interest on this forum and from Muslims in general has simply declined. It's as if they are too embarrased to discuss this primarily Muslim on Muslim violence.

Now I don't know who's playing what games here, but to even suggest that the bloodshed is all the fault of the Sunni "lions" is pure BS, at best.

Of course not 'all' of it is the fault of these Sunni "lions". But that doesn't change the fact that the majority of the major bombings on markets, funerals, the Iraqi government institutions and Shiite religious processions is the work of these people. They are not the work of 'sectarian gangs', they are the work of highly organized Sunni 'resistance' groups, the ones you claim to understand so well. Initially the Shiites restrained themselves and refrained from revenge. But those times are over, they have no intention letting this happen anymore. Exactly the reason why they resisted a broader amnesty, they are pissed off.

They're all ticking me off with the killing of the civilians, the twisting of words and the bending of images, and believe me when I tell you, my light is going to shine all over this... but to stop it will take... ROUND THE TABLE AMNESTY! End of story.

I agree, that would be best.

Iraqis have to act smart be like hezbollaah unity is number 1 and allah will help them to victory inshallaah. All the people that commit sectarian voilence are criminals.

Originally Posted by Islamicboy

Iraqis have to act smart be like hezbollaah unity is number 1 and allah will help them to victory inshallaah. All the people that commit sectarian voilence are criminals.

Wait if you commit sectarian violence your a criminal, but if you commit unitarian violence your a hero? Violence is Violence, there is no difference!

Decades of oppression by Sunnis, now they finally get a say in government and those same Sunni's do their utmost to destroy it and attack Shiite targets wherever they can.

The same Shia that basically began the violence under Al-Sadr? The Shia are no less guilty than the Sunni.

Virtually every week in Iraq there are several massacres on the scale of Qana, yet nobody cares, that is what suprises me.

Oh people will care when it is the Americans who commit such a massacre. But they have nothing to say on the matter when it is a Shia or Sunni group.

Originally Posted by Joe98

The US gov’t has a policy not to kill civilians

The US gov’t has a policy not to rape women

If a US soldier murders or rapes he will be tried in a court.


The insurgents policy is to kill civilains

The insurgents policy is to rape women

If an insurgent kills civilians and rapes women he gets rewarded by other insurgents because the deaths will be blamed on the "occupation".

The "policy" you speak of isn't worth the paper it's written on to Iraqis... and we all know why!

I hate the word "insurgents" but you think they don't have policies? Really? Gee, have you read Jill Carroll's publication about her experience as a hostage of the Mujahideen? Don't push my buttons today over trivialities. You just have no idea how ticked off I am at the moment (different issue and I can't discuss it).

It was EVERYONES policy to kill civillians.... I have documentation on that from ALL parties involved, so spare me the lecture about how U.S. reasoning was 'better' than Al Qeada's. None of it will wash with me. Ever. And I'm clearly not in any frame of mind to be civil right now, so I'm going to leave this forum till I can cool my jets and figure out what to do about this... situation.

Ninth Scribe

Originally Posted by Ninth_Scribe

The "policy" you speak of isn't worth the paper it's written on to Iraqis... and we all know why!

I hate the word "insurgents" but you think they don't have policies? Really? Gee, have you read Jill Carroll's publication about her experience as a hostage of the Mujahideen? Don't push my buttons today over trivialities. You just have no idea how ticked off I am at the moment (different issue and I can't discuss it).

It was EVERYONES policy to kill civillians.... I have documentation on that from ALL parties involved, so spare me the lecture about how U.S. reasoning was 'better' than Al Qeada's. None of it will wash with me. Ever. And I'm clearly not in any frame of mind to be civil right now, so I'm going to leave this forum till I can cool my jets and figure out what to do about this... situation.

Ninth Scribe

Let's ask Nick Berg what the policies of insurgents are. Oh wait you can't because he has no head. Maybe Jessica Lynch can enlighten you.

Originally Posted by Geronimo

Let's ask Nick Berg what the policies of insurgents are. Oh wait you can't because he has no head. Maybe Jessica Lynch can enlighten you.

Jessica Lynch was in the U.S. armed forces... fighting against the Iraqis. Nick Berg was not, but was an American male who was helping the Americans. I hate to repeat this old news because, at least to me, it was made crystal clear from the beginning:

Rules of Engagement:

1) All American soldiers are targets.
2) Anyone who helps them (Iraqis, Americans, anyone) are targets.

Civilian women, of any background, are excluded from this list for obvious reasons. Zarqawi himself demanded that Maragaret Hassan's kidnappers publish proof that she was a "spy, conspiring against Muslims" or release her immediately.

Not all groups out there, however, are Mujahideen, but when you make a post with the name "Lions of Iraq" you've made it clear to me who you are accusing and I will address those complaints because I have no reason to believe they deserve anywhere near the ridecule they've received.

And before you decide to use cheap shots like Nick Berg... why not ask his own father who he feels is truly responsible for the death of his son?

Ninth Scribe