IMHO...

flying flags are just to remember how we have achieved freedom...thats all...

I put Allah above all...but i also love my country. It is just one big happy family. I'm not saying my country is perfect...but what is wrong in loving one imperfect country. If you don't support them...how they are going to improve into a better place for the muslims to live in...

Originally Posted by syilla

IMHO...

flying flags are just to remember how we have achieved freedom...thats all...

I put Allah above all...but i also love my country. It is just one big happy family. I'm not saying my country is perfect...but what is wrong in loving one imperfect country. If you don't support them...how they are going to improve into a better place for the muslims to live in...

Good post.

Originally Posted by Woodrow

Perhaps the word Love carries too strong of connontations for most people that do not have Englicsh as a native language. In english we are very limited in words that reflect appreciation and loyalty. Love in English does not have the same strength as it has in say, Arabic, Urdu or Greek.

with that said, those of us who were born here have very strong loyalty to our nation. We recognise the wrongs it it has done and we do not like those. We do our best to rectify those wrongs. Channals are available to us to voicre our concerns over the wrongs we see done and we openly express them. Loyalty to a country does not mean blind following or to place the country above religious beliefs. But, it does mean to have sufficient respect to use the established means to correct the wrongs as we find them.

To say that we recognize the wrongs of the country and we try our best to recitify these wrongs just isn't enough I am afaid. Our brothers and sisters are dead, are dying and will die due to the actions of this country.

But Fair enough. It's just too bad that imbeciles run the government.

Originally Posted by Samee

To say that we recognize the wrongs of the country and we try our best to recitify these wrongs just isn't enough I am afaid. Our brothers and sisters are dead, are dying and will die due to the actions of this country.

But Fair enough. It's just too bad that imbeciles run the government.

I like these words:

It's just too bad that imbeciles run the government.

Now as Americans it is our responsability to use our collective voting strngth to assure that is corrected. It all begins on the local levels. You being in New York are probably aware that your local Borough has more say over the government you live under, then the Feds have. Not every City is like NYC and not every State is like NY. I suspect you will find many more Bush Supporters in NYC than you will find in the entire State of Texas.

Originally Posted by Woodrow

I like these words:



Now as Americans it is our responsability to use our collective voting strngth to assure that is corrected. It all begins on the local levels. You being in New York are probably aware that your local Borough has more say over the government you live under, then the Feds have. Not every City is like NYC and not every State is like NY. I suspect you will find many more Bush Supporters in NYC than you will find in the entire State of Texas.

Yep you can either vote for Homosexuality or more killing of muslims which one you choose?

Yep you can either vote for Homosexuality or more killing of muslims which one you choose?

Homosexuality will exist, if you deny them marriage you will not all of a sudden see Homosexuality disapear. Its not like there is a vote to have homosexuality banned. You cannot do that.

But how about looking on the positive side of politics?

You can vote for better education, or less taxes to pay.

Speaking for me personally, when I fly the American flag it is in remembrance for those who serve and served my country, those that paid the ultimate sacrifice and those who came home, like Woodrow. Thanks for the service Woodrow.

Originally Posted by therebbe

Homosexuality will exist, if you deny them marriage you will not all of a sudden see Homosexuality disapear. Its not like there is a vote to have homosexuality banned. You cannot do that.

But how about looking on the positive side of politics?

You can vote for better education, or less taxes to pay.

Actually if you vote for conservatives you will vote out homosexuality but there will be wars all over the muslim world. If you vote liberials there will be no wars but homosexuality will be allowed. Besides I meant for the muslims who vote in america ofcourse this affects them more then non muslims.

Originally Posted by Islamicboy

Yep you can either vote for Homosexuality or more killing of muslims which one you choose?

It is not quite as morbid as you make it seem. Our biggest enemy in the USA has been public apathy, too many people have become compaicent and fail to take up their individual responsability to assure that our elected officials truly do represent the views of the people. To see the overall views you have to meet people from each region and each State. If you were to do so, I believe you would see that there are more people that favor the rights of Palestine and the other Islamic countries, than that are opposed. We just need to get away from our cozy chairs and make our views known.

I grew up in the New England States. I loved the scenary and the natural Beauty of Northern Ct and Western Massachusets. But, I do not like the politics of the region, so now I choose to live in Texas. Many American's are fed up with the big business policies of some of our elected officials and time will show that dissatisfaction as election years come.

I think another major problem is the two-party system itself, but that is way off topic.

Actually if you vote for conservatives you will vote out homosexuality but there will be wars all over the muslim world. If you vote liberials there will be no wars but homosexuality will be allowed. Besides I meant for the muslims who vote in america ofcourse this affects them more then non muslims.

Completly wrong.

The conservatives in America can limit the rights of Homosexuals, like denying them marriage rights, but Homosexuality will not cease to exist no matter who is in power. It is against the Constitution to 'ban homosexuality'. It will not happen.

If you elect liberals you will not see wars go away either, because hate it or love it, America will defend itself against terrorism under a liberal or conservative. The response time, and the threat the country is under will effect how much liberals will defend America as opposed to Democrats.

Originally Posted by Woodrow

It is not quite as morbid as you make it seem. Our biggest enemy in the USA has been public apathy, too many people have become compaicent and fail to take up their individual responsability to assure that our elected officials truly do represent the views of the people. To see the overall views you have to meet people from each region and each State. If you were to do so, I believe you would see that there are more people that favor the rights of Palestine and the other Islamic countries, than that are opposed. We just need to get away from our cozy chairs and make our views known.

I grew up in the New England States. I loved the scenary and the natural Beauty of Northern Ct and Western Massachusets. But, I do not like the politics of the region, so now I choose to live in Texas. Many American's are fed up with the big business policies of some of our elected officials and time will show that dissatisfaction as election years come.

As far as i am concered the whole world protested U.N. did not even allow america to go to war yet geroge bush did. If it was a muslim country or any other country besides west. They would have been in big trouble with U.N. So me going around talking to helpless government offcials will not do me any good. I rather just stay in my cozy chair.

U.N. did not even allow america to go to war yet geroge bush did. If it was a muslim country or any other country besides west. They would have been in big trouble with U.N.

Be sure to not contradict yourself though. There were a huge list of UN resolutions Iraq did not follow either. So be sure to condemn Saddam Hussien at the same rate you condemn Bush for not following the UN's orders.

Originally Posted by therebbe

Completly wrong.

The conservatives in America can limit the rights of Homosexuals, like denying them marriage rights, but Homosexuality will not cease to exist no matter who is in power. It is against the Constitution to 'ban homosexuality'. It will not happen.

If you elect liberals you will not see wars go away either, because hate it or love it, America will defend itself against terrorism under a liberal or conservative. The response time, and the threat the country is under will effect how much liberals will defend America as opposed to Democrats.

When america went to iraq they were defending themselves interesting. Liberal government wouldnt have went into iraq or backed israel aggression agianst Lebanon.

You have to understand the dynamics of the U.N., and most importantly the Security Council. These nations aren't exactly best pals when it comes to diplomacy. The US and UK stick together, Russia and China stick together, and Germany and France stick together, at least until the conservative German prime minister was voted in. These people can't agree on anything except not to agree. These countries do things all the time that the other countries don't like, China and Russia veto almost anything put forward by the US. The UN is a confusing mess if you ask me, with little in the way of constructive action.