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| IB Oldtimer Status: Offline Posts: 1,052 Reputation: 1717 Rep Power: 33 Join Date: Apr 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Women face curbs in Makka mosque
__________________Monday 28 August 2006, 13:43 Makka Time, 10:43 GMT Religious leaders in Saudi Arabia want to impose restrictions on women praying in the Grand Mosque in Makka, one of the few places where male and female worshippers intermingle. But women activists in the kingdom, the birthplace of the religion and where a strict interpretation of Islam is imposed, say the idea is discriminatory and have vowed to oppose it. At present, women can pray in the immediate vicinity of the Kaaba, a cube-shaped structure inside the mosque, believed to have been built by Ibrahim (Abraham) - seen by Muslims as a prophet - and his son. Muslims walk around this seven times according to rites first established by Ibrahim and re-established by Prophet Muhammad. Plans by the all-male committee overseeing the holy sites would place women in a distant section of the mosque while men would still be able to pray in the key space. Not final Osama al-Bar, head of the Institute for Haj Research, said: "The area is very small and so crowded. So we decided to get women out of the sahn [Kaaba area] to a better place where they can see the Kaaba and have more space. "Some women thought it wasn't good, but from our point of view it will be better for them ... We can sit with them and explain to them what the decision is." The decision is not final, he said, and could be reversed. Pushing and shoving is common in the tight space around the Kaaba where thousands of pilgrims crowd mainly during haj. Worshippers can walk round the Kaaba at any other time as well. The plans are likely to provoke a furore among Muslim women in countries whose traditions are less strict. Muslims say it is a basic right to be able to pray as close as possible to the Kaaba. It is towards the Kaaba that Muslims around the world turn when praying. 'Discrimination' Suhaila Hammad, a Saudi woman member of a body of world Muslim scholars, said: "Both men and women have the right to pray in the House of God. Men have no right to take it away. "Men and women mix when they circumambulate the Kaaba, so do they want to make us do that somewhere else too? "This is discrimination against women." The Grand Mosque is one of the few places where men and women pray together, although technically there are separate spaces for each gender throughout the vast complex. Religious police charged with imposing order ensure that women do not pray outside the prescribed areas. Hatoun al-Fassi, a historian, said the move to restrict women's prayer in the mosque would be a first in Islamic history. "Perhaps they want women to disappear from any public prayer area and when it comes to the holy mosques that's their ultimate aim," she said. She said that the religious authorities have already restricted women's access at Prophet Muhammad's burial place in Madina. Source: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...3B67C97653.htm “The best type of jihaad is the jihaad of the one who strives against his own self (jihaad al-nafs) for the sake of Allaah.” |
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| IB Oldtimer Status: Offline Posts: 1,470 Reputation: 1660 Rep Power: 33 Join Date: May 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | salama
__________________chk this "The area is very small and so crowded. So we decided to get women out of the sahn (Ka`bah esplanade) to a better place where they can see the Ka`bah and have more space," Osama Al-Bar, head of the Institute for Haj Research, told Reuters on Monday, August 28. "Some women thought it wasn't good, but from our point of view it will be better for them...We can sit with them and explain to them what the decision is (about)," he added. According to Al-Bar, the proposal is not final and could be reversed. http://islamonline.net/English/News/2006-08/29/05.shtml chk what a sist said on another forum Quote:
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| *** Status: Offline Posts: 9,006 Reputation: 48098 Rep Power: 99 Join Date: Mar 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | yes this article is misleading. they arent proposing a ban for women just moving women slightly back to give them more space. how words can be twisted Our Lord! Verily, we have heard the call of one calling to Faith: 'Believe in your Lord,' and we have believed. Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and expiate from us our evil deeds, and make us die (in the state of righteousness) along with Al-Abrar |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 9,097 Reputation: 26435 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Dec 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | This is wrong...IF rasoolAllah [saw] did not oppose this then who on earth are they to set this restriction? Does that mean that women wont be allowed near the ka'abah at prayer times? That sucks |
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| Full Member Status: Offline Posts: 475 Reputation: 865 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Australia Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | I agree. Plus, it would take the women more time to perform the religious activity/ies (specifically referring to hajj and umrah) which to an extent is a good thing, but then her husband/brother/mahram would have to wait until she has finished.
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| *** Status: Offline Posts: 9,006 Reputation: 48098 Rep Power: 99 Join Date: Mar 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
they are making MORE space for the women the best spaces for a woman is at the back anyway. also in the time of Muhammed Our Lord! Verily, we have heard the call of one calling to Faith: 'Believe in your Lord,' and we have believed. Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and expiate from us our evil deeds, and make us die (in the state of righteousness) along with Al-Abrar | |
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| Full Member Status: Offline Posts: 232 Reputation: 61 Rep Power: 22 Join Date: Jul 2006 Way of Life: Undisclosed | Quote:
That's cliche. You can say that for everything. Also wasn't there a case of a man who complained of his wife allowing herself to be groped/not turning the hands of pervs away, the Prophet (SAW) said to him to divorce her, the man says he loves her, the Prophet (SAW) said then keep her. Quote:
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| *** Status: Offline Posts: 9,006 Reputation: 48098 Rep Power: 99 Join Date: Mar 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | my point is the times then was different to the times now..... Our Lord! Verily, we have heard the call of one calling to Faith: 'Believe in your Lord,' and we have believed. Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and expiate from us our evil deeds, and make us die (in the state of righteousness) along with Al-Abrar |
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