Originally Posted by Ghazi

Seriously this is a disturbing story but I'm not suprised, this is what I hate when people act all pious yet commit major sins while preeching, subhanllah this is like when a revert comes to the masjid everyone's all nice to them through the process of the shahada when they take it not even salaams i've seen this, those brothers should be ashamed and how dare they lay their hands on those sisters, also by their definiton of a muslim that means I aint muslim aswell cause I aint of asain desent, sickness of the heart thats all I can say!

Brother, it was a friday, unfortunately, at this day and age....not all Muslims who attend the masjid on a friday are "pious" a lot of them go for the sake of going because they have to on a friday, doesnt mean to say they are knowledgable/pious/practicing etc... if this incident took place at Fajr time (for example) you could blame the devout/knowledgable "pious preechers" for treating the sisters that way,

from the article if we all LOOK properly, they did not punch the sisters they punched a brother/s.

you may all seem to think that i am defending/justifying the actions of the idiots, but im not, all im saying is the sisters should not have been loitering outside the masjid on a friday afternoon had they not, the idiots woulnt have had the chance to do what they did.

all this is going to do is generate bad press, its embarassing that they are making it out as though they are being denied there rights to pray...the non muslims already think we women are oppressed.

I know nearly all the Masjids in Blackburn, and there is a huge Masjid in the heart of Blackburn

http://www.tauheedulislam.com/


facilities for Muslims women/girls are excellent.

This is absolutely devastating. Here I am, compiling an essay on gender roles *cough*due tomorrow still have 1700 words to do*cough* and ironically, the sisters are not allowed to pray in the mosque, let alone, got eggs thrown at them.

The main reason why they distributed the leaflets during Jum'ah is because they know that at that time, obviously, there will be a large number of brothers praying therefore they will be able to present the hadiths to a larger group of brothers. This will allow the sisters and the two brothers who were with them to pass on information to a majority of the brothers and hope that many of the brothers would agree with the hadiths they presented to them. That was the whole point of distributing the leaflets during that time. Instead, they got a very rude response when the brothers should have compromised in a more peaceful way.

Originally Posted by Kamilah

Brother, it was a friday, unfortunately, at this day and age....not all Muslims who attend the masjid on a friday are "pious" a lot of them go for the sake of going because they have to on a friday, doesnt mean to say they are knowledgable/pious/practicing etc...

They threw eggs at the Muslimahs. They should know better. And it's really common sense. Being "forced" to go to a Masjid for Jum'ah is really no excuse for their reaction.

all im saying is the sisters should not have been loitering outside the masjid on a friday afternoon had they not, the idiots woulnt have had the chance to do what they did.

loiter - 1. to linger aimlessly or as if aimless in or about a place

They were not lingering "aimlessly". They were trying to make a point and to a majority of the brothers which, unfortunately, ended up as a "disagreement" between both genders [with the exception of the two brothers who were with them].

I think the approach of sister was not the best approach.
Firstly I noticed,

1. That they knew about the mosque not catering for women.

2. Next they sought after the crowd for direct confrontation. With Leaftlet demanding women right.

Bad idea with brothers getting the wrong impression with so much so callled women rights going on (remember women leading the prayer scandal) and with the world political situation, so maybe these brothers in ignorance/ emotionally reacted in a negative way, but I must admit these s the worse behaviour I heard from these brothers.

I live in the east-end, and their are plenty of these brothers around who hang out in the street, and occasionaly if it can't be ovoided go to Jummah. I seen those behaviour before.

These sisters has only created more fitnah, instead of approaching the imman directly or indirectly by using a known scholar and discussing it with the imman, or making a request to the trustee of the mosque.

We must ovoid these kind of situation, and always find the best mean of approach.

Originally Posted by Kamilah

I think we need to look at this from both sides, its a bit silly the sisters hanging around the Masajids at Jumu'ah time when they know there will be men emerging from all directions, them hanging around in full view if the men, is bound to spark a reaction,if they had issues with praying they should have addressed it in a diginified way, nowadays, the sisters take on too much of this western "feminism" rubbish and try and justify it with islam,

its better for a muslimah to pray at home anyway,

in the haramain ( although we are in the most holiest and purest of places) us women.. we are told to move (if we hang about in the area's for men)

so in my opinion the sisters are in the wrong.

by the way, i wouldnt take much notice of mpac...they have a beef with blackburn and mosques ....if anyone watched the documentary they'll know what i mean.

also, I live near Blackburn, i go there all the time, and there are many masaajids, Masha'Allah most brothers are very respectful towards Muslimah's, and there are particular mosques that could have accommodated the sisters for Salaah,


even if they knocked on someone's door, ppl would happily invite them to pray Salaah, after all they are Musaafirs

subhanallah!

how can you excuse the behaviour of these men?
even if they had turned up naked it would not have justified such a reaction.

i would advice they take more brothers with them next time just in case they kick off like this again so they can defend themselves.

such cowards are only brave when they think they can push people around without any retaliation

the sisters hanging around the masjid isnt the problem, that masjid is in the midst of a community, literally and you see women not dressed properly walking past all the time. the sisters were fully covered and demanding their rights. the point is not knocking on someones door. the point is they want their rights the same masjid that invited that woman, although it was cancelled but still she was initially invited! and they cant even let their fellow muslimas come in and pray after them

and does that masjid tauheed ul islam have facilities for women to pray????

The men shouldn't have reacted in such a way! Even if someone is doing something wrong ur supposed to tell them gently!! Society nowadays... Didn't anyone else try and stop the men from doing that? I mean they're coming to pray jumah salah and they behave in such a way?

This kind of thing boils my blood. Who do those guys think they are. So hypocrite, first praying like a muslim and 5 minutes later acting like animals.
However I o wonder, was this a desirable method of bringing the issue to attention? Did those people try to just ask the imam before they handed flyers? Why did they do it in this way?

Rather Than Give Out Leaflets And Cause Such An Unprecedented Response, Why Not Talk To The Imam To Get A Room For The Sisters In The Mosque?

Make Your Feelings Known To Him And Im Sure He Will Understand.

In This Way, If Brothers Are Going To Behave In Such A Way It Will Be Against The Wishes Of The Imam.

If The Imam Refuses On Unreasonable Groungs, Threaten To Take The Mosque To Court For Discrimination.

Im Sure That Will Chnage Their Position!!!!

TYPICAL !!!! Start acusing back n forth !!!
Before we start ranting n raving...!! who els directly knows what happend..? has any1 looked in to the incident n clarified the story.??

i'm outa here.... (sorry if i caused any offence)

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

subhan Allaah.. the way i just read that - it made me shocked how we have so much fitnah from among our own people.. yet we complain about what the kuffar are doing to us.


Allaahu akbar, what the messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) said is so true.. ignorance will prevail, and we argue against ourselves, yet we want victory against the kuffar.


i think it's to do with them men having ignorance, and also arrogance.. audhubillah.

Well said. I agree completely.

From the original post, these sisters were wearing hijab and niqab. How much fitnah can 2 covered sisters cause when these "brothers" will go out into a non muslim society filled with women wearing neither hijab nor niqab.

SubhanAllah, God help this ummah!

But the uproar from Blackburn’s goons didn’t end there. We were followed by a car and hounded as they drove up and down the main road taunting and throwing eggs at the sisters.

Just one question for now? Do people go to mosque armed with eggs should they need to pelt someone?

Originally Posted by nishom

Rather Than Give Out Leaflets And Cause Such An Unprecedented Response, Why Not Talk To The Imam To Get A Room For The Sisters In The Mosque?

Make Your Feelings Known To Him And Im Sure He Will Understand.

In This Way, If Brothers Are Going To Behave In Such A Way It Will Be Against The Wishes Of The Imam.

If The Imam Refuses On Unreasonable Groungs, Threaten To Take The Mosque To Court For Discrimination.

Im Sure That Will Chnage Their Position!!!!

From memory, in the article, I believed it said that while the Imaam[s] knew what was going on outside, they did not interfere but instead ignored it. I'll just have a check now. Still have about 700 words to do on that darn gender role essay.

edit:

Here it is, though I'm sure the "Masjid leaders" equates to being an Imaam. I could be wrong.

It was the masjid leaders that I was deeply devastated by. Instead of teaching them Islamic etiquette, the Qur’an and Sunnah, they were enabling the goons outside the masjid and ignoring the hadiths presented to them when all we asked was to pray Zuhr.