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| Full Member Status: Offline Posts: 475 Reputation: 865 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Australia Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Wow. The Amish are very traditional and community based people. The death of the girls will impact them greatly =(
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| Malikaat Falesteen Status: Offline Posts: 2,013 Reputation: 23905 Rep Power: 61 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: I am a traveller, May Jannah be my home ameen Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Assalamu Alaikum
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Online Posts: 5,781 Reputation: 39693 Rep Power: 78 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: England Gender: Way of Life: Christian | This is such a tragedy!
__________________May God's comfort be with the families and communities involved in this situation. It seems that the Amish community was not targeted - instead he chose the Amish school as an easy target because it was
This guy was obviously very disturbed, and had planned the attack pretty well. The scary thing is, when people (neighbours, family members, even the spouse) say things like 'He was a very nice man/the best husband you could wish for/he couldn't hurt a fly ... How can people have such emotional problems, and the people around them don't know???! The Amish are a fascinating community. I am very interested in their way of life. peace
Peace glo "Peace I leave with you. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid." "Lakum deenukum waliya deen" |
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| Full Member Status: Offline Posts: 475 Reputation: 865 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Australia Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Great points you have listed there glo.
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Online Posts: 5,781 Reputation: 39693 Rep Power: 78 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: England Gender: Way of Life: Christian | I found this statement in this mornings news:
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What a touching demonstration of forgiveness and striving for peace! I am sure we can all learn much from the Amish - I know I can. Peace with you all.
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| IB Oldskool Status: Offline Posts: 8,459 Reputation: 22729 Rep Power: 61 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Penang Island, Malaysia Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
Even aborigines in the jungles of Malaysia have access to internet and cellphones... Assalamualaykum... I am back!! | |
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Online Posts: 5,781 Reputation: 39693 Rep Power: 78 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: England Gender: Way of Life: Christian | Quote:
It is not that human beings cannot live without technology - after all we have managed without until fairly recently in human history. It is more that we choose to utilise (and make ourselves dependent on) modern technology. Once you are dependent on it, it becomes very hard to imagine living without it! If for some reason the modern lifestyle came to an end and we would have to do without electricity, petrol, running water etc, I don't think it would take humans too long to readjust and learn to live without those things. After all, it is our adaptability that has made us humans so successful. Back to the Amish, I imagine a life without modern technology and gadgets utterly peaceful and calm in many ways. That's not to say that moderns technology is a bad thing and should be done away with, of course! In this instance even the Amish community had to rely on the services of the outside world (police, hospital etc) to be helped in their emergency situation. So I suppose, nobody is an island. Not even those who attempt to hide away from the world ... Peace
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| Hi! that I am this Status: Offline Posts: 976 Reputation: 972 Rep Power: 23 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: born Armidale 1968 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | My Father's brother's wife, who is in her fifties, has a Grandmother alive whom still collects water from a well in her back yard in preference to getting running water in the house. She has only had the electricity on for a short while and only because her relatives were too worried. She uses it to boil the kettle without needing to get fire wood, and lives in a place where there is more wood than water.
__________________Living without is in general easier. Prayer is easier and the simplicity of not being able to stop for a rest just to be housed and feed is the most effective means of preventing kafr. Assalam
Within the Realm of King Solomon Who could have known I was home grown An accuser's false allegation Did warrant only my Nation in apology for inconveniences its shaytan leeches who accuse my unconscious sleep of accusing you too cheep I will be selling for five times three centsiblity |
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| I Love Allah Status: Offline Posts: 6,017 Reputation: 37582 Rep Power: 83 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: La ilaha illAllah - (B'ham) Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
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May Allah grant them peace in this sad time and guide them to the Truth. Ameen.
"Truly in the heart there is a void that can not be removed except with the company of Allah. And in it there is a sadness that can not be removed except with the happiness of knowing Allah and being true to Him. And in it there is an emptiness that can not be filled except with love for Him and by turning to Him and always remembering Him. And if a person were given all of the world and what is in it, it would not fill this emptiness." -Ibn Qayyim al Jawziyya | ||
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| Hi! that I am this Status: Offline Posts: 976 Reputation: 972 Rep Power: 23 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: born Armidale 1968 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Assalamu Alaikum
__________________I agree whole heartedly that the Amish are living a life closer in form to that many more Muslims need to be. The fuller story was on the television last night after the last of the children whom were murdered died. She had been the oldest of the group whom the murderer did not let out; and she was the one whom begged the murderer to kill her instead of the younger children; she died last of all and in hospital with family nearby. I cried. But then I pulled my self up short in tears in watching the news media visual imagery and noticing the intensive wealth of the Amish on display. There was ample reminder of the fact that while they are a very communal society and they value hard labour above any other way to survive; they have not shied away from investing any money from their income into interst bearing investments. In many ways that is the single most significant difference between them and Islam. The only really important difference between Muslim true believers and Christian true believers in any context. I want to wish for all the Amish and any other similar community that they will learn from the shooting the lesson about what an interest driven economy did. Apart from that I am sure that the Amish themselves will be first to highlight that instance of what it is that defines or fails to define sanity. The killer might have portrayed himself socially as entirely sane within dysfunctional social cohesion; but that is not what defines sanity since surely what defines sanity is the interior of the mind and how we can use our internal comprehension to cause our behaviour to only manifest in self decency. Sadly we live today in communities in which I can not wear Hijab without my parents considering me insane. I could not homeschool my children without my parents considering me insane. Nor acknowledge indigenous Ancestry nor accept practising my Faith. My mother insisted that I sleep rather than go to all night prayer; and I was made to feel ashamed beside her for wanting to only eat a small portion during Ramadan. Additionally there are a few instances in Muslim situations in which I have been portrayed as insane for believing in Jesus as I was taught as a child through Gospel as it is translated from Christian use, as well as Isa's life told in Qur'an. What is the world coming to when I am being prevented from living a decent life by false accusations of insanity while a killer is described as a nice decent person by their family. Here is another example. Yesterday I met a family on the train, during the half an hour journey from my home to the city. The father was giving another person on the train some resources to find out about Hezbollah, so I introduced my self and we spoke. My intention was to provide a new association, that is within a mainstream Australian social context, with a woman wearing Hijab. I have often been regarded as insane for wearing Hijab and attracted unnecessary negative attention, that I am not equipped to prevent. But I have continued to wear Hijab all the same and began before first entering a Mosque. But the example is that after a small effort to recondition the family's regard for Hijab it transpired that the father had been an Australian solder in the Middle East and he told me some interesting facts. He told me that he had been ORDERED, when his army section was under American command, that if an enemy had a baby in their arms to shoot through the baby to kill the man. He told that at that order he put down his gun and refused to fight. Thereafter he had been brutalised in military prison. But not so much by physical violence as by being repeatedly immersed in water in a similar way to a Baptism, and to force him to believe that he could die for a sin in having put down his gun. The army classified him as insane also before letting him return to his family. There was a curious coincidence in that he is also a white Australian Aborigine whom openly spoke up in that. Few here dare to, and my good friend, a Michael, was wrongly imprisoned and is virtually under a house arrest and enforced to take a strong anti-psychotic medication only for having spoken up that his mother, whom he was removed from when four, is Aborigine. Because apparently in Australia if you are Indigenous and white you are insane. If you are Muslim and believe in Jesus you are insane. If you are Aboriginal and Muslim you might as well be a bomber. If you wear Hijab then you are toxic. My Prayer and Du'a is with the sanity of the Amish; and that sanity in Allah will prevail. Assalamu Alaikum rvq
Within the Realm of King Solomon Who could have known I was home grown An accuser's false allegation Did warrant only my Nation in apology for inconveniences its shaytan leeches who accuse my unconscious sleep of accusing you too cheep I will be selling for five times three centsiblity |
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