It is the word affairs section lol
It gets to everyone....

Originally Posted by Tayyaba

It is the word affairs section lol
It gets to everyone....

the blood boils here... lol.

we all have to calm down and realize that nothing will change no matter how much you all argue.

How could we Muslims help the Palestinians if they're killing each others...

Lets read a little about this sacred land that combines n brings together the 3 largest religions of the world:

(Quoted from "Stories of the Prophets (Peace Be Upon Them) by Ibn Khatir)
The people of the book have mentioned that when Isaac married Rifqa (Rebekah), daughter of Behuel, he was forty years old. She was barren, so Isaac prayed for her . She got pregnant and gave birth to twin boys (Bible, Genensis 24). The name of the first child was Esau, whom Arabs called as Al-'Ais from whom Romans descended. The second son was Jacob whom the Children of Israel are related to.

It is said that Isaac loved Esau more than Jacob, bacause he was his firstborn son.However, Rebekah loved Jacob more than his brother . beacause he was the younger.

They have also mentioned that when Isaac grew old and his eyesight was too weak to see, he expressed his desire for tasty food to his son Esau, and asked him to go out and hunt him some wild animal and then cook it for him. And so Isaac could give him his blessing and pray for him. Esau was a hunter , so he went off to catch animal.

However, Rebekah overheard Isaac, and yold Jacob abt what his father said to Esau, and asked him to go out to his flock and bring her two well chosen young goats, so that she could prepare some tatsy food for his father, as he desired it, before his brother could come back. So Jacob went out, got a healthy goat, and slaughtered it and then brought it to his mother, and she prepared the food the way his father desired it. Rebekah than took the best clothes of Esau , and put them on her younger son Jacob. Esau had hairy skin and Jacob had smooth skin, so she covered his hands and the smooth parts of his neck with the goat skin.

When Jacob brought the food to his father, he asked him :" who are you?" he answered:" your son" so he asked him to come closer to him, and he touched him and said "The voice is that of Jacob but the hands are the hands of Esau". When he ate the food, he supplicated for him that he be the more honorable among his brothers, may his authority extend upon all nations, and that he may get abundance of provisions"(This story is mentioned in Bible Genensis 27)

As Jacob left his father after his blessings, Esau came in hunting. He prepared some tatsy food and brought it to his father, his father asked him "what is this, my son?" Esau replied " This is the food you desired for" Isaac replied "Didn't you come to me a little while ago (with food) and I ate from it and blessed you?" Esau said " by Allah, it wasn't me", And he kenw that his brother has deceitfully took his blessings. Esau held now a grudge against his brother , and threatened to kill him if their father died. Esau asked his father for another supplication, so he supplicated for him (with another request), that his progeny will be the rugged of the earth, and that they will have abundance of provisions and fruits.

When Rebekah , their mother , heard of this threat of Esau for Jacob, she asked Jacob to leave at once and go to her brother Laban in Haran, and sty there until his brother's fury subsides. She also asked him to marry one of his daughters, and asked hre huband Isaac to tell him to do this. Isaac called for JAcob and blessed him and commanded him to do so. So he did.

Jacob left at the end of the day and when he reached a certain place he stopped for the night . He took one of the stones there and put it under his head and la to sleep. He had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth with its top reaching to heaven. Angels were ascendding and decending on it. There above it stood the Lord and said to him:"I am the Lord, I will give you and your descendants the land on which your are lying" He also blessed him , and promised that his children will spread out all over the world.

When Jacob awoke his sleep , he felt happy with his dream. He then made a vow saying that if he returend safely to his father's house, he would build a house for the worship of Allah at that place, and that whatever Allah would give him, he would give away of it one-tenth for Him. Then he took the stone and poured oil on top of it, so that he could recognise it. He called that place Bethel, meaning the House of Allah. This is the same place where bait-ul-Maqdis is situated now, which was built by him later on.

Originally Posted by rav

the blood boils here... lol.

we all have to calm down and realize that nothing will change no matter how much you all argue.

My apologies, but my last statement stands. These are not supposed to be our arguments and I'm sick of finding myself in the cross-fire. You should hear some of these arguments. Quite a number of them aren't even worth the paper they're written on. Others, that are honest ones, are becoming twisted beyond recognition - one day, they probably won't even be able to recall what they were even fighting for.

Blood boils? More like a dose of Spiritual PMS

Ninth Scribe

Palestine is Muslim land before it is anyone else's. Muslim have a right to fight for it and to defend al-Aqsa.

Originally Posted by dishdash

You have to be the single-most irritating poster on here, and that includes the kids who type in mobile phone txt talk. Surely I cannot be the only one who thinks that...

You're not ~ I even irritate the Jews and Christians... but this isn't a beauty pageant or a popularity contest. You're the logistical type, so I'm sure you'll find a way to deal with the strain

Ninth Scribe

first of all its not anybodys land , its Allahs land.

second of all please don't say PEACE at the end of your message if you don't mean it (coz i know you don't)

and thirdly a two state solution will never work. the only solution is a 1 state solution where the palestineans rule and the pals and israelies live with each other. of course there will be hatred at first but I believe this is the solution

My country South Africa is the perfect example of how the holy lands can be tranformed into a peaceful abode once more.

Oh cool, just what I always wanted, another thread dedicated to Israel and palestinian conflict.

To those members who wish to "take arms against the kufar in order to prevent massacres", here's a new method. Why not help preserve life via donating through charities, sponsoring orphans, looking after the elderly, donating money to palestine etc. This method involves no killing, no haram and it is perfectly legal.

This is the real world, not an action movie, you can't just go around killing people and hoping it will solve all your problems. Besides, do you honestly think one extra soldier placed on the battlefield on either side of this conflict will change the outcome? This is not how wars or any conflicts of any kind are stopped. Think it through logically : you kill them, they kill you and sooner or later everyone dies.

The land of palestine was handed By Prophet Abreham to his two sons and the Muslims are decendants of one of the sons. So we have the right for this land! The Zionist have clears aims and objectives about the Masjid and they want it destroyed bad! But they will fail (although they have these underground tunnels built). They are killing the Palestinians not only with bullets, but by depriving them of basic needs like water. Isreal controls all water that goes in to for example Hebron where there is a massive Muslim and Christian population. But they only recieve 15% of the water, but the Jewish community recieve 85% of the water. This is total CRAZYNESS! there are more Muslims in Hebron the Jews so are they deprived of basic sanitation. Not to mention all the prisoners that they are holding with out charge. The Palestinians are modern day Davids, throwing stones at the Isreali Galiath. Yes there are other Major conflicts out there, but ask yourself one question who do they involve, yes its the U.S. I'll tell you why its because the US needs a war every decade to sustain their economy they cant live without it. People who dont want war like JFK get shot and killed.

Originally Posted by SATalha

The Zionist have clears aims and objectives about the Masjid and they want it destroyed bad!

No they don't. Please show us your daleel for this claim.

Originally Posted by SATalha

But they will fail (although they have these underground tunnels built).

Alhamdulilah...

Originally Posted by dishdash

No they don't. Please show us your daleel for this claim.



Alhamdulilah...

You dont need daleel to know that the destruction of Masjid al Aqsa is what the aim is, so that they can build the temple of Soleman (PBUH).

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To those members who wish to "take arms against the kufar in order to prevent massacres", here's a new method. Why not help preserve life via donating through charities, sponsoring orphans, looking after the elderly, donating money to palestine etc. This method involves no killing, no haram and it is perfectly legal.

Yes This is what we should be doing helping the Palestinians, Ever heard of Interpal?

Originally Posted by SATalha

You dont need daleel to know that the destruction of Masjid al Aqsa is what the aim is, so that they can build the temple of Soleman (PBUH).

Actually it is against Jewish law to rebuild the Holy Temple until the Moshiach comes. By the time the Moshiach comes, no Muslim will have a problem with the rebuilding of the Temple because all Muslims will realize it is the will of G-d. Therefore, don't worry, by the time we rebuild the Temple, you will be helping us take down the existing structure, unless your stubborn enough to reject G-d because of your own personal pride. So basically, until Moshiach comes, you won't have to worry about rebuilding our Temple. And when Moshiach comes, well you won't really care according to our belief.

donating money to palestine

If you are not careful how you donate to Palestine it can very well be used to by a gun instead of a hot meal for a starving family. You see, many corrupt Palestinians militants see it better to buy a gun to kill then provide for there ownign starving people.

Originally Posted by aamirsaab

Oh cool, just what I always wanted, another thread dedicated to Israel and palestinian conflict.

To those members who wish to "take arms against the kufar in order to prevent massacres", here's a new method. Why not help preserve life via donating through charities, sponsoring orphans, looking after the elderly, donating money to palestine etc. This method involves no killing, no haram and it is perfectly legal.

This is the real world, not an action movie, you can't just go around killing people and hoping it will solve all your problems. Besides, do you honestly think one extra soldier placed on the battlefield on either side of this conflict will change the outcome? This is not how wars or any conflicts of any kind are stopped. Think it through logically : you kill them, they kill you and sooner or later everyone dies.

Offense is the best defense.