it has been banned in schools in various european countries.
Maybe muslims have their rights where u live.....buh then again...that may be just your opinion.
So someone owes u something? if this is your attitude then we owe u no respect either nor do we owe u your human rights etc etc etc

Wait, are you showing the audacity to actually attack the human rights policies in secular countries as a supporter of the rights given in Arab countries?

If so, the could you please list what policies in western countries show that make them "anti-muslim" towards their muslim citizens, so tha way we can distinguish what is anti-muslim and what is anti-religion in general.

salamz..
cool i agreee

Originally Posted by sameer

it has been banned in schools in various european countries.

Well in many schools in America hats are not allowed to be worn in classes because it causes a distraction to other students, perhaps this is the logic behind them being banned in schools.

Originally Posted by sameer

Maybe muslims have their rights where u live.....buh then again...that may be just your opinion.

no this isnt an opinion, this is a fact everyone has the same rights as anyone else where i come from.

Originally Posted by sameer

So someone owes u something? if this is your attitude then we owe u no respect either nor do we owe u your human rights etc etc etc

first off, i never said anyone owes me anything, second i never said anyone wasnt owed respect or human rights. I give everyone respect until the give me reason to do otherwise and as far as human rights go, you may want to speak to some who lives in Iran where they arent allowed to speak against the government, and their government is so interested in causing conflict in the world they cant even get the majority of their people above poverty level.

this has gone totally off topic, someone might as well close the thread

Why would Muslims want to pray in a church anyway? I mean, it's a place where they - from our perspective (not trying to offend anyone) - pray to a human and claim God has taken a son for himself. We shouldn't pray there in the first place. There are other ways of trying to work for peace and reconciliation.

Originally Posted by Abu Zakariya

Why would Muslims want to pray in a church anyway? I mean, it's a place where they - from our perspective (not trying to offend anyone) - pray to a human and claim God has taken a son for himself. We shouldn't pray there in the first place. There are other ways of trying to work for peace and reconciliation.

i agree, even though we dont pray to any man

I have said time and time again. You have no chance with the Spanish. They don't bend over backwards to the minority like the British do and this is why the Spanish should be proud.

Originally Posted by MTAFFI

Well in many schools in America hats are not allowed to be worn in classes because it causes a distraction to other students, perhaps this is the logic behind them being banned in schools.

Im not speaking about america.... i'm speaking about other places.


no this isnt an opinion, this is a fact everyone has the same rights as anyone else where i come from.

dats just it........-where u come from


first off, i never said anyone owes me anything, second i never said anyone wasnt owed respect or human rights. I give everyone respect until the give me reason to do otherwise and as far as human rights go, you may want to speak to some who lives in Iran where they arent allowed to speak against the government, and their government is so interested in causing conflict in the world they cant even get the majority of their people above poverty level.

when u said that u owe us nothing and the way u said it.......well....i was thinking that u meant nothing at all not even human rights

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anyhow.....i think this is a non-iusse.....i think they should concetrate on filling existing masajid instead of trying to get back the church.

Originally Posted by MTAFFI

What I dont understand is why do these people think they have a right to something that hasnt been theirs for some 700 years? I mean really this building has been a cathedral for the better part of a millenium and these people are still wanting to have some right to it. I personally think it is just another way to make Muslims feel like they are being persecuted. I am not trying to offend anyone, although i am sure i will, but the more i read and the more i see on the news the more i think islam is a religion for crybabies and trouble starters . Every week it is something else "Oh, someone is taking our land" or "Oh that was our mosque 700 years ago" or "Lets go throw a violent protest because some idiot drew pictures of our prophet". It seems to me Muslims are always just looking for a way to start something with someone else, whether it be some crazy conspiracy theory (that i read at least once on this site everyday) or it be someone offended them or didnt give what they want. Then it is everyone elses fault, how about take a look at yourself.

My point is everything is not yours and not everyone cares about what you think is sacred or even what is against your beliefs and religion. This is something that Muslims and Islam must deal with in order to live in society today. Do you really think Allah cares where you pray? Probably not, he is probably just happy you pray at all. Stop making a big deal out of everything and just be happy with what you got, it isnt like this is where you will spend the rest of eternity anyways, so what do you care about land or buildings. Really you will only exist for a blink of an eye.

AA
Obviously you need some help on Islam, its so obvious that you dont have a clue.

Anyways Islam is the religion and Muslims are its followers.
Its that Muslims that are claiming the landloss not Islam because in Islam we believe that all land belongs to God.

And its not only Muslims. there are people everywhere that had their property, land, life destroyed. ex Lebenon. There are Christians there.

And history does matter, you cant just shun off years of history and say lets begin again because people need to know and they wont forget.

And we are not claiming everything to be ours. Everything belongs to God. Land it be, or prayer or the sky.

WA

AA

Muslims do have the right of claim to Cordoba. If you look back in history and see the progress that was achieved inder Muslim rule in Spain its unbelievable.

WA

Muslims do have the right of claim to Cordoba. If you look back in history and see the progress that was achieved inder Muslim rule in Spain its unbelievable.

So, there was a lot of progress in Eretz Yisroel with the Jews, does that mean you have given up your claim to the mount?

Should I even care about the answers I will get? Or just give one big sigh at the hypocrisy of all this.

Originally Posted by rav

So, there was a lot of progress in Eretz Yisroel with the Jews, does that mean you have given up your claim to the mount?

Should I even care about the answers I will get? Or just give one big sigh at the hypocrisy of all this.

but at the same time u think that jews have a claim to Israel and jerusalem and the temple of the mount? or is that the view of some jews only?
So its the same as the muslims in cordoba.....which i might add are only some muslims...

Originally Posted by anis_z24

AA
Obviously you need some help on Islam, its so obvious that you dont have a clue.

I have a clue, and I think a pretty good one. Islam teaches peace and love, and Muslims seem to do just the opposite.

Originally Posted by anis_z24

Anyways Islam is the religion and Muslims are its followers.
Its that Muslims that are claiming the landloss not Islam because in Islam we believe that all land belongs to God.

WOW you really nailed me there, although i dont think i even used the word Islam in my previous post, OH MY GOSH I DIDNT!!! So what is your point I purposely used the word Muslim because i have nothing against Islam. It is the Muslims causing the problems, you are right about that. Obviously you need some help in reading because you obviously dont have a clue!

Originally Posted by anis_z24

And its not only Muslims. there are people everywhere that had their property, land, life destroyed. ex Lebenon. There are Christians there.

Yeah you always see all the Christians making all kinds of problems, and why are these people homeless? Because a Muslim militant group went above the government and used this area as their battlefield.

Originally Posted by anis_z24

And history does matter, you cant just shun off years of history and say lets begin again because people need to know and they wont forget.

Yes history does matter and people should not forget it, but just because you had something 700 years ago and lost it doesnt mean you just get it back today because it was yours 700 years ago, if this were the case nothing would have ever changed in history and this is not good.

Originally Posted by anis_z24

And we are not claiming everything to be ours. Everything belongs to God. Land it be, or prayer or the sky.

Really? you could have fooled me, maybe if all Muslims believed like you do there wouldnt be so many problems in the world right now.

WA[/QUOTE]

^correction i used the word islam once, but to reference its type of followers, not speaking of the religion itself

Originally Posted by anis_z24

AA

Muslims do have the right of claim to Cordoba. If you look back in history and see the progress that was achieved inder Muslim rule in Spain its unbelievable.

WA

yeah and look at all they accomplish today, maybe this is why they all want to live in the past