Did you really know him? What was he like? i heard he was kind of quiet, and that he very rarely raised his voice.
I also heard his wife and two kids and some cousins were killed in the first war in Vedeno. That was before the buddenyvosk operation.

As to his bravery, his military skill, courage etc. i think thats common knowledge amongst those who follow the events in this war.

The kafir western media will always portray him in a bad away - i dont really care what they think, however i find it sad when some ignorant muslims say bad things about him - theyre just fools.

Originally Posted by Chechnya

Did you really know him? What was he like? i heard he was kind of quiet, and that he very rarely raised his voice.
I also heard his wife and two kids and some cousins were killed in the first war in Vedeno. That was before the buddenyvosk operation.

As to his bravery, his military skill, courage etc. i think thats common knowledge amongst those who follow the events in this war.

The kafir western media will always portray him in a bad away - i dont really care what they think, however i find it sad when some ignorant muslims say bad things about him - theyre just fools.

Yeah I knew him. It's true he was a quiet person. Not always talking endlessly. He only talked when he had something intelligent to say not something stupid and useless and only when he was spoken to. He was also very polite and if you just took the military clothes off of him you would never think he even participated in war. He was kind with everyone especially with children, he really liked them. Everyone who knew him and who didn't know him misses him. He never wished any bad to anyone and always had this sincere smile when he talked. Basayev and Khattab and many other rebels used to gather in our house to have dinner together. And when they used to sit at table and talk I would always listen to what they said. Because you would only hear brave and wise things from them. Especially Shamil. They used to talk a lot about the war and then wars in other muslim countries. They used to talk about Islam very often aswell. I just miss those people. We were all like a big family. But those days are over. Now the second war started. Most of them have died. But they have died as heroes to protect me and my relatives and my friends and I will always support them no matter what because for me there are no braver people than them.

Wasn't this the guy who planned the school massacre?

Originally Posted by Fishman

Wasn't this the guy who planned the school massacre?

Yeah it's him. It would have turned out fine if that pig Putin hadn't given the order to attack the building and kill everyone in it.

subhanAllaah... at times like these its the story of owais qarni that keeps me strong...

Originally Posted by Chechen

Yeah it's him. It would have turned out fine if that pig Putin hadn't given the order to attack the building and kill everyone in it.

What do you mean by 'turned out fine'? Surely it's not fine to capture a school and starve everybody inside?

What do you mean by 'turned out fine'? Surely it's not fine to capture a school and starve everybody inside?

the aim in beslan wasnt to kill anyone - the aim was to stop the greater killing, some children dying was the worst thing that could have happened for them.
in the first war chechen fighters captured a hospital and demanded russia stop the genocide and start dialogue - the russians were literally forced to stop the slaughter and rape and to start talking.
this was also the aim in beslan but things went horribly wrong - many witnesses have also confirmed that the hostage-takers were trying to get them out when the russians stormed the building and werent firing on them.

in my opiniion beslan was a big mistake - i am happy the shamil basayev acknowldeged his mistake and offered to go on trial for his role in it. very few world leaders (bush, putin, olmert) will admit they did something wrong when they have killed a great more people than died in beslan.

however the whole situation is a complicated thing - please read this thread, it explains it in a bit more detail:
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-af...id-happen.html (Beslan - Why did it Happen?)

Originally Posted by Chechnya

the aim in beslan wasnt to kill anyone

Yeah, right. Immediately after having gathered all the hostages in the gym, the attackers set about killing about twenty of the adult male hostages, reportedly the strongest in the group. The attackers forced other hostages to throw their bodies out of the building and set some children to wash the blood off the floor.

Hostage Kazbek Dzarasov reported that the terrorists would pick from amongst the prettiest adolescent girls and take them to another room with an excuse of having them fetch water, rape them, and return them a few hours later.

The crying of the children irritated the terrorists, and on several occasions children and their mothers were threatened that if they didn't stop crying they'd be shot.

Hostage Kazbek Dzarasov reported that the terrorists would pick from amongst the prettiest adolescent girls and take them to another room with an excuse of having them fetch water, rape them, and return them a few hours later.

this was directly contradicted by many women hostages who said that there was no rape - in fact there wasnt even seperation of the hostages, all were kept in the same place.
Regina Kusraeva said when the russians stormed the place, it was the hostage-takers that were trying to find them a way out and that she was "absolutely not scared of the militants".

http://www.jamestown.org/news_details.php?news_id=121

ill post more stuff in a bit when i get time.

sensational lies seem to be your thing at the moment...

Originally Posted by Chechnya

sensational lies seem to be your thing at the moment...

LOL! This coming from you!

Originally Posted by Fishman

What do you mean by 'turned out fine'? Surely it's not fine to capture a school and starve everybody inside?

Basayev wanted to put Putin into a position where he would just be forced to go for negotiations. They took the school and the only thing they asked for was to stop the war in Chechnya. How can they be terrorists? Did they demand a million dollars and a plane to Columbia? No they just asked for the genocide and slaughter of a whole nation to stop. Basayev said he wanted it to go well for both sides. For the Chechens the war and the genocide would stop and for Putin he wouldn't have faced a shameful defeat he could have said that he was obliged to go and negotiate that way his people would respect him even more. He knew that Putin was a monster and didn't care for human life but he thought he would have some feelings for children but at the end he found out that no. Cause Putin ordered to storm the building and kill everyone inside it. Witnesses said that they saw Russian soldiers on top of another building firing from flame throwers ( which have been forbiden by the Geneva Convention) at the roof of the school which caused it to collapse and kill so many people. The Russians started firing at their own people and survivors of the attack said that Chechens were picking them up from the floor and helping them escape. Putin had gotten rid of his problem and at the end everyone thought it was the Chechens and started hating them. Basayev said in a statement that he thought Putin would have had pity for his own children and went forward for negotiations but after the attack he saw what a really ruthless and cold hearted man he was. And unlike the many terrorists on this planet( Putin, Bush, Olmert etc) he proposed to go on any international trial after the war even tough it wasn't fully his fault. Plus what I find shocking is that when 45 000 Chechen children die the world is like oh yeah too bad for them or just completely stays silent but when 300 Russian children are killed everyone starts screaming and jumping on us even the so called muslim brothers.

it was the hostage-takers that were trying to find them a way out

That makes a lot of sense. The terrorists take them hostage so that they can then try to find a way to get them out?
There is no justification. They purposely took the lives of hundreds of small children hostage, and put them in danger. Only cowards would do this. There is no justification. These pigs will burn for what they have done to these children.

Originally Posted by Chechen

Basayev wanted to put Putin into a position where he would just be forced to go for negotiations. They took the school and the only thing they asked for was to stop the war in Chechnya. How can they be terrorists? Did they demand a million dollars and a plane to Columbia? No they just asked for the genocide and slaughter of a whole nation to stop. Basayev said he wanted it to go well for both sides. For the Chechens the war and the genocide would stop and for Putin he wouldn't have faced a shameful defeat he could have said that he was obliged to go and negotiate that way his people would respect him even more. He knew that Putin was a monster and didn't care for human life but he thought he would have some feelings for children but at the end he found out that no. Cause Putin ordered to storm the building and kill everyone inside it. Witnesses said that they saw Russian soldiers on top of another building firing from flame throwers ( which have been forbiden by the Geneva Convention) at the roof of the school which caused it to collapse and kill so many people. The Russians started firing at their own people and survivors of the attack said that Chechens were picking them up from the floor and helping them escape. Putin had gotten rid of his problem and at the end everyone thought it was the Chechens and started hating them. Basayev said in a statement that he thought Putin would have had pity for his own children and went forward for negotiations but after the attack he saw what a really ruthless and cold hearted man he was. And unlike the many terrorists on this planet( Putin, Bush, Olmert etc) he proposed to go on any international trial after the war even tough it wasn't fully his fault. Plus what I find shocking is that when 45 000 Chechen children die the world is like oh yeah too bad for them or just completely stays silent but when 300 Russian children are killed everyone starts screaming and jumping on us even the so called muslim brothers.

What a load of crap. Please, what insane lies. Oh, yes. The heroic terrorists were trying to help the children.
There is no justification for using the lives of children to gain what you want. Never.