Originally Posted by SilentObserver

That makes a lot of sense. The terrorists take them hostage so that they can then try to find a way to get them out?
There is no justification. They purposely took the lives of hundreds of small children hostage, and put them in danger. Only cowards would do this. There is no justification. These pigs will burn for what they have done to these children.

They took them hostage to scare Putin and force him to negotitate they had no intention of hurting anyone. Do you think they would just come up to Putin and ask him to stop the war in their country? No they had to scare him so they had to do something extreme. They were almost 100% sure that Putin would do anyhting to get his people out of there and accept to their terms. But no instead Putin ordered for the building to be stormed.

Originally Posted by Chechen

They took them hostage to scare Putin and force him to negotitate they had no intention of hurting anyone. Do you think they would just come up to Putin and ask him to stop the war in their country? No they had to scare him so they had to do something extreme. They were almost 100% sure that Putin would do anyhting to get his people out of there and accept to their terms. But no instead Putin ordered for the building to be stormed.

There is no justification. This was one of the most pathetic, cowardly acts of the last 100 years of human treachery.

Originally Posted by SilentObserver

What a load of crap. Please, what insane lies. Oh, yes. The heroic terrorists were trying to help the children.
There is no justification for using the lives of children to gain what you want. Never.

Instead of repeating that no matter what I say are "insane lies" why don't you prove me wrong. Prove that what I just said is a load of crap.

Originally Posted by Chechen

Instead of repeating that no matter what I say are "insane lies" why don't you prove me wrong. Prove that what I just said is a load of crap.

OK.

http://www.time.com/time/europe/html/040913/story.html
Hostage says it was one of the terrorist bombs going off(not purposely) that started the final showdown. Not the Russian forces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_...hostage_crisis - terrorized the children,immediatly killed men, threatened to kill children, raped girls, etc.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/h...n_s/html/1.stm - held more than a thousand hostage, and refused them food or water. Children forced to resort to drinking urine.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...385297,00.html - terrorists brutalizing children during seige.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in668127.shtml - among other things father shot in front of young sons.

That makes a lot of sense. The terrorists take them hostage so that they can then try to find a way to get them out?
There is no justification. They purposely took the lives of hundreds of small children hostage, and put them in danger. Only cowards would do this. There is no justification. These pigs will burn for what they have done to these children.

It actualy does make sense. If the children were dead there would have been no negotitian as to the murder of chechen women and children - without the hostages they couldnt stop the genocide of their people as they have done before.
Once it was clear it was over, they helped people find a way out as said by the HOSTAGES THEMSELVES.

But obviously you know more than these hostages, right?

Originally Posted by Chechnya

But obviously you know more than these hostages, right?

The hostages never said that. Because you say it makes it true?

LOL! The Jamestown Foundation is your source?! The Jamestown Foundation is a notorious conspiracy theory group, dedicated to opposing the US, they dislike the former Soviet Union, and any other world power.

No, I don't know more than the hostages. But clearly you know even less.


Try these hostage accounts, they differ from the lies that come from the JT Foundation;
http://www.time.com/time/europe/html/040913/story.html
Hostage says it was one of the terrorist bombs going off(not purposely) that started the final showdown. Not the Russian forces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_...hostage_crisis - terrorized the children,immediatly killed men, threatened to kill children, raped girls, etc.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/h...n_s/html/1.stm - held more than a thousand hostage, and refused them food or water. Children forced to resort to drinking urine.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...385297,00.html - terrorists brutalizing children during seige.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in668127.shtml - among other things father shot in front of young sons.

There are many sources from interviews and documentaries including from Russian news sources:

http://www.lenta.ru/news/2005/06/15/kulaev/

Zinaida Varziyeva, Regina Kusayeva, Larissa Kudzeiva are just some of the hostages whose testimony you can check out - so yes they did say out.

Prefer their testimony to wikipedia which can be altered by anyone. lol

Originally Posted by Chechnya

There are many sources from interviews and documentaries including from Russian news sources:

http://www.lenta.ru/news/2005/06/15/kulaev/

Zinaida Varziyeva, Regina Kusayeva, Larissa Kudzeiva are just some of the hostages whose testimony you can check out - so yes they did say out.

Prefer their testimony to wikipedia which can be altered by anyone. lol

Are you really going to try to have us believe that the hostages would side with the terrorists? That the hostages would defend the terrorists? Get off the drugs.
The terrorist pigs immediatly killed the fathers of these children. They terrorized the kids. They beat them. They raped a few of the prettier girls. They refused food and water, forcing the children to resort to drinking urine. The children were in terror for three days, saw unimaginable horror. They are scarred for life. More than 300 were killed. And you want us to believe that they are thankful to the terrorist pigs?!

These pigs at Beslan cannot be defended. They will burn for what they did to those children. It is immoral, and disgusting to think that anyone would defend the murder and terrorizing of children, for any cause. It is a sick mind that would defend killing children.

Are you really going to try to have us believe that the hostages would side with the terrorists? That the hostages would defend the terrorists? Get off the drugs.

Are you getting frustrated that ACTUAL HOSTAGES dare contradict what you have made up? loool

Yes they confirm girls werent seperated from the hostages so there cant have been rape - and no the testimony of the hostages shows that they werent defending the hostages-takers.
Throughout they refered to them as terrorists and showed no sympathy for them or their cause.

I know sometimes the truth hurts but live with it my friend

Au revoir

Originally Posted by Chechnya

Are you getting frustrated that ACTUAL HOSTAGES dare contradict what you have made up? loool

Yes they confirm girls werent seperated from the hostages so there cant have been rape - and no the testimony of the hostages shows that they werent defending the hostages-takers.
Throughout they refered to them as terrorists and showed no sympathy for them or their cause.

I know sometimes the truth hurts but live with it my friend

Au revoir

No, I'm frustrated that you would post such arrogant lies.

Why do you defend the action of these pigs?

Why do you defend the terrorizing, beating, raping and killing of children?

No, I'm frustrated that you would post such arrogant lies.

Why do you defend the action of these pigs?

Why do you defend the terrorizing, beating, raping and killing of children

Your attention span seems to be short but ill repeat myself for you this time

I dont defend Beslan, i was and still am sad for the loss of the children - i wished the whole episode had never happened.

Im also slightly frustrated that you would post such arrogant lies - hostages themselves said there was no rape or seperation of girls, they said there was no beating either and most of all - if you read the testimony of some of the hostages i mentioned earlier - they confirm that children were shot from the russian side and that many hostage-takers were trying to get them out.

The despicable attempt to fabricate gang-rapes and what not is rather sickening - its almost as if you WANTED this to have happened so you could repeat it - but unfortuntely for you many hostages have given their accounts.

Having said that alot of the blame still lies on Shamil Basayev for initiating the whole scenario and i was glad to see him accept responsibility and offer to go on trial or hand himself over to russia immediately on condition that it ends the war.

Originally Posted by Chechnya

I dont defend Beslan, i was and still am sad for the loss of the children - i wished the whole episode had never happened.

Let me ask you this. Do you think, under any circumstances, that it is acceptable to take children as hostages to help one's cause?

Let me ask you this. Do you think, under any circumstances, that it is acceptable to take children as hostages to help one's cause?

I thought i made that clear. No, i dont.

A question in return:

Do you think it is acceptable under any circumstances for children to be harmed in war, whether its from aerial bombarment of cities like Kabul or Baghdad or hostage-taking like in Beslan?

Originally Posted by Chechnya

I thought i made that clear. No, i dont.

A question in return:

Do you think it is acceptable under any circumstances for children to be harmed in war, whether its from aerial bombarment of cities like Kabul or Baghdad or hostage-taking like in Beslan?

Absolutely not. Under any circumstances.

Absolutely not. Under any circumstances.

So your against the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine where these things have happened or are happening?

We have more in common than i would have thought