Originally Posted by KAding

Is honor killing ever done in the name of Islam though? I didn't think it was.

I suppose its a cultural thing. However, the problem with the Indo-Pak region, is a lot of people have trouble distinguishing between what is Islamic, and what is cultural ignorance. So perhaps they feel what they're doing is in the name of Islam, due to a severe lack of education, even though Islam is 100% against it.

Honor killing is a custom which is extremely old spanning 1000's of years.

It also existed in the Pre Islamic period in Arabia. It has existed in many cultures throughout time, including Europe at one time, when one tribe would go kill another tribe in the name of 'honor'

Islam abolished and condemned this monstrosity of a custom 1400 years ago.

So it is most definitely not from Islam, but it is rather a cultural / tribal problem which exists in most 'feudal systems'

I think its very convenient for them. You don't have an house or land, you can go and kill your relative and voila- you have where to live.Thats it.

Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

I understand that there are many other places where these "honor" killings are practiced. Is that true? What are governments doing in those places? And how can it happen so readily when it is so obviously against Shari Law?

Governments do punish honor killers but only after the crime is comitted, like if someone commits a crime in his house how come Government would know before it is reported or tracked by someone and above all honor killings are being committed mostly in the down trodden and far flung areas and villages where people are mostly illiterate and they have no knowledge of correct Shariah.
So if we want to eliminate the abuses like honor killings from the society the government should introduce shariah laws according to quran and Sunnah and start programs to teach people about Quran and Sunnah
.

In tribal areas mostly they don’t report the crime to the government agencies but follow the laws of their tribal heads generally which are constituted by those tribal heads and sometimes follow the laws of the native molvies who are under pressure of these tribal heads and doesnt give right decision according to Islamic shariah.

Yep tackle the root causes.

Originally Posted by Naira

Governments do punish honor killers but only after the crime is comitted, like if someone commits a crime in his house how come Government would know before it is reported or tracked by someone and above all honor killings are being committed mostly in the down trodden and far flung areas and villages where people are mostly illiterate and they have no knowledge of correct Shariah.
So if we want to eliminate the abuses like honor killings from the society the government should introduce shariah laws according to quran and Sunnah and start programs to teach people about Quran and Sunnah
.

Beyond the Indo-Pakistan region, where else are "honor" killings taking place?

Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

Beyond the Indo-Pakistan region, where else are "honor" killings taking place?

Here where i live there is not such a thing. If you still wish to do it, you will get the free house for the next 25 years from the state. So its better to work to build your own house, than to kill other relatives.
My mom told me, when she was a child, and the elders respected the moral teachings and wanted to correct certain men and women faults without to send them in jail (the adultery was punished by state with jail, not a good option for everyone)- they took the couple, or just one of them, depend who was theculprit, took out from several pillows the goose feathers, over which they pour gas, diesel gas. After that undressed them, and roll over in the composition. They were so ashamed, than no one tried to cheat his wife or husband again.

Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

Beyond the Indo-Pakistan region, where else are "honor" killings taking place?

Honor killings are quite 'popular' in Turkish culture.

Originally Posted by KAding

Honor killings are quite 'popular' in Turkish culture.

Although these days in Turkey, the Honour Killings, have become Honour "Suicides"

Explain more please. My daughter is from Turkey. She has told me that this is against the law, but sometimes still happens in the eastern part of the country.

Are you suggesting that it is still true throughout the whole country, even though it is against the law?

The root cause in this situation (with regards to Pakistan) is the existance of a feudal system. Where landlords exist and have slaves etc.

If this system was crushed once and for all we would see stuff like this vanishing insha'allah.

honour killing well dont you think ppl jst say honour killing 2 save themselves from the punishment

Assalaamu Alaykum,

For the non Muslims peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

as others have stated this is a totally un-Islamic custom that is abolished where Shariah is practiced and known amongst communities Muslim and non Muslim where Shariah isn’t present.

I say Muslim and non Muslim because in the indo-pak continent there are also many such ‘honour’ killings amongst the Sikh and Hindu community and also such problems amongst the Sikhs and Hindus in Britain also but they are not often reported as such.

So indo-pak you have this problem amongst all, yet Islam teaches that honour is only in Islam not in pre-Islamic cultural crap like so called honour killings.

Same in some parts of Arabia, where once again there is a culture of honour killings coming from before Islam, yet this problem is there I understand more prevalent amongst the Christian Arabs than amongst the Muslims but nobody would make the unjust allegation that they are doing this because they are Christian, this would be wrong and a slander against Christianity.

Once again in Eastern Turkey, the practice is known amongst all groups but most well known amongst the Alawite Sect, who the Muslims are agreed are disbelievers and amongst their disbelief is their denial of the Quran where Allah tells mankind that men and women can reach Jannah, where as the Alawites say a women doesn’t have a soul and cannot enter Jannah in her own right (similar to Christian belief until one or two centuries ago).

So we can see this is a condemned practice in Islam. Islam comes to lift up mankind from such evil practices and that where Islam is sincerely practiced such practices become very rare or almost unknown but such things are not even unknown in the UK, how often does a man kill his daughter because he doesn’t like her boyfriend?

It isn’t common but it isn’t unknown, such things were much more common and beatings and attacks against women who married outside of the white community were quite well known in the white British community until quite recently but no one cries honour killings or honour attacks but in truth this is what it is, just less formalised.

Assalaamu Alaykum,

For the non Muslims peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

Abu Abdullah

Ignorant Pakistanis muslims are an embarrassment to Islam & Pakistan.

But, while mullahs are getting together and dishing out fatwas which is all good and proper, why don't they put in some effort to spread the real islam. A lot of cultural crap is based on lack of knowledge and fatwas can't terminate ignorance. Only education can.