this is not cool....
Masjid should be based on the Prophet (saw)'s Sunnah. i
y do they need to show loyalty? I mean y through a place of worship...maybe someone can enlighten me on this.

Originally Posted by siFilam

this is not cool....
Masjid should be based on the Prophet (saw)'s Sunnah. i
y do they need to show loyalty? I mean y through a place of worship...maybe someone can enlighten me on this.

You can try the call of Jahilliya?

i think it would be inappropriate for any religious building to fly a national flag.
in islam, which takes a strong stand against nationalism, it would be even more so.

Originally Posted by Woodrow

Now getting back to the original topic.

I believe for a Mosque to fly a national flag would be wrong. If for no other reason it gives the impression that the Mosque is a servent of the nation. Now there is nothing wrong with the members of a Mosque to offer support to a just Nation, but they should never give the impression that Islam is a sevent of the Nation.

Servant of the nation? The mosque is on the nations land. A nation which opened its arms towards immigrants who wanted a better life and for many Australia gave it to them.

Originally Posted by ManchesterFolk

Servant of the nation? The mosque is on the nations land. A nation which opened its arms towards immigrants who wanted a better life and for many Australia gave it to them.

Does anyone else get the sense that the integration of muslims in all parts of the world is, and will continue to be, a massive issue for our generation?
One of the main clashes will be muslims using the quran to justify something, which will mean absolutely nothing to a non-muslims or its government.

Originally Posted by ManchesterFolk

Servant of the nation? The mosque is on the nations land. A nation which opened its arms towards immigrants who wanted a better life and for many Australia gave it to them.

So what if it is? What happened to freedom of expression? It would be absolutely ridiculous to ask a mosque of all places to affliate itself with a single nationality. It isn't an 'Australian' mosque, it is simply a mosque where people of all nationalities gather because they all have something in common, which is their faith.

Majority of the Muslims work hard within their respective communities, and have adopted the country they immigrated to as their home. Why do certain people keep on thinking it is necessary for Muslims to 'prove' their 'loyality'?

If you want to make a mosque fly the national flag then make every other building on the nations land fly one, too. It's absolutely ridiculous. You're stifling peoples identities.

Originally Posted by strider

So what if it is? What happened to freedom of expression? It would be absolutely ridiculous to ask a mosque of all places to affliate itself with a single nationality. It isn't an 'Australian' mosque, it is simply a mosque where people of all nationalities gather because they all have something in common, which is their faith.

Majority of the Muslims work hard within their respective communities, and have adopted the country they immigrated to as their home. Why do certain people keep on thinking it is necessary for Muslims to 'prove' their 'loyality'?

If you want to make a mosque fly the national flag then make every other building on the nations land fly one, too. It's absolutely ridiculous. You're stifling peoples identities.

The goverment is not asking for them to do so! Muslims clerics are!

Originally Posted by ACC

Does anyone else get the sense that the integration of muslims in all parts of the world is, and will continue to be, a massive issue for our generation?
One of the main clashes will be muslims using the quran to justify something, which will mean absolutely nothing to a non-muslims or its government.

Yes...I completely agree. That is just going to make the locals really angry after a bit. Ironically, it is the long-time residents of the host country who are accused of being culturally sensitive to Islam...yet immigrant Muslims, in many cases, seem to be unwilling to make even the smallest gestures toward the cultural standards of the host country.

This suggestion by Dr. Ali seems harmless and might well go a long way toward healing rifts. There is no need to put the flag on the mosque itself..just deed a small part of the property to some trusted member of the mosque and put the flag there. Where is the harm in that? It is called public relations.

Originally Posted by strider

So what if it is? What happened to freedom of expression? It would be absolutely ridiculous to ask a mosque of all places to affliate itself with a single nationality. It isn't an 'Australian' mosque, it is simply a mosque where people of all nationalities gather because they all have something in common, which is their faith.

Majority of the Muslims work hard within their respective communities, and have adopted the country they immigrated to as their home. Why do certain people keep on thinking it is necessary for Muslims to 'prove' their 'loyality'?

If you want to make a mosque fly the national flag then make every other building on the nations land fly one, too. It's absolutely ridiculous. You're stifling peoples identities.

Gee...I don't know. Perhaps it is those with attitudes like yours? The Austrailians have newspapers and some even know how to read. Do you think it is possible they might have drawn inferences from what happened in Britain...home grown terrorism?

You are so primed to suffer an insult you failed to understand th epoint of the original article. This was an idea offered by a Muslim leader in Australia.

Originally Posted by ManchesterFolk

The goverment is not asking for them to do so! Muslims clerics are!

I'm aware of that. I was replying to your comments.

Originally Posted by Cognescenti

Gee...I don't know. Perhaps it is those with attitudes like yours? The Austrailians have newspapers and some even know how to read. Do you think it is possible they might have drawn inferences from what happened in Britain...home grown terrorism?

You are so primed to suffer an insult you failed to understand th epoint of the original article. This was an idea offered by a Muslim leader in Australia.

Usually, i'm one of the first people to back gestures like these but not on this one. I think Keysar Trad got it right. A mosque is indeed a place of worship, where everybody is seen to be equal and the last place where division over nationality should be created unnecessarily.

Originally Posted by Cognescenti

Yes...I completely agree. That is just going to make the locals really angry after a bit. Ironically, it is the long-time residents of the host country who are accused of being culturally sensitive to Islam...yet immigrant Muslims, in many cases, seem to be unwilling to make even the smallest gestures toward the cultural standards of the host country.

Really? I think you'll find such Muslims are in the minority. You're also assuming that all Muslims in Western states are immigrants, which is untrue.

This suggestion by Dr. Ali seems harmless and might well go a long way toward healing rifts. There is no need to put the flag on the mosque itself..just deed a small part of the property to some trusted member of the mosque and put the flag there. Where is the harm in that? It is called public relations.

Okay. If the leaders of certain mosques choose to fly flags, that is their prerogative.

It's still extremely stupid how many justify the entire Muslim community having to 'prove' their loyalty because of the actions of a few violent scumbags. Such displays of fealty should be a choice, rather than a requisite, as certain people on this thread have implied. Is living in peace, working hard and paying your taxes not enough to 'prove' your loyalty?

Still, I'm writing this as a British citizen. I've not seen the Union Jack flown outside churches, synangogues, hindu temples, mosques or gurudwaras, and I don't think such flag waving is necessary for the followers of those religions to prove their loyalty to the UK. Maybe the situation is different in Australia.

Flag on Masjid = NO!!

Originally Posted by Muezzin

Really? I think you'll find such Muslims are in the minority. .

Fair enough. I hereby state I should have said, to be cautious, "some cases" instead of "many cases". Still, public perception is what it is. You can't will it away.

Originally Posted by Muezzin

Okay.

It's still extremely stupid how many justify the entire Muslim community having to 'prove' their loyalty because of the actions of a few violent scumbags. Such displays of fealty should be a choice, rather than a requisite, as certain people on this thread have implied.

I agree that peace-loving Muslims (in the West) are "unfairly" tarnished by a violent few (that is if we don't count sympathies for the attackers ).....but it does no good to simply stomp one's feet.

Let's say I cant get a date because I have hair growing out of my ears. Do I blame women because of their insensitivity to the natural effects of testosterone? After all, its not my fault. Or do i pluck out the hairs?

Which strategy is likely to succeed? Confrontation or compromise?

Originally Posted by strider

Usually, i'm one of the first people to back gestures like these but not on this one. I think Keysar Trad got it right. A mosque is indeed a place of worship, where everybody is seen to be equal and the last place where division over nationality should be created unnecessarily.

I understand the point...but it does occur to me that division over religion doesn't make all that much sense either.